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Post by Robert on Nov 19, 2021 1:06:09 GMT
Probative Value:
"The legal term probative value refers to any evidence that serves the purpose of proving something during a trial. Probative value considers the evidenceโs usefulness in proving, or disproving, a particular fact in the case, with the court determining the actual value of such evidence according to its relevance to the case at hand."
IOW; we'll accept anything helps our argument and reject anything that doesn't - truth be dammed.
Just like what the holohoax delusionalists do.
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Post by Robert on Nov 19, 2021 1:13:24 GMT
So jews admitted that they were transited through Treblinka II?
That is a tacit admission that you believe Treblinka II was not a "pure" extermination camp.
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Post by Robert on Nov 19, 2021 1:28:53 GMT
Nessie:
"you have tried to claim that there are witnesses who told the truth, so how about you name those witnesses?"
Nessie, please name all the "witnesses" who told the truth about mass graves at Treblinka II.
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Post by nazgul on Nov 19, 2021 2:10:22 GMT
Nessie: "you have tried to claim that there are witnesses who told the truth, so how about you name those witnesses?" Nessie, please name all the "witnesses" who told the truth about mass graves at Treblinka II. Nessie has been absent for a short while now. In the past he has given strings of names who he considers to be reliable witnesses and told "the truth" no matter how bizarre the claim. These can be put in some archive for access so that there is no constant repetition with similar demands. I am sure you are well aware of who these witnesses are and what claims were made as regards to the volume of space needed and the methods. Turnagain has spoken for years about the inability of "diggers" of the times to perform such feats. Apart from the witnesses that no doubt Nessie will repeat once more when he returns (if he does) there is little evidence that supports the claim of mass graves in the area known as TII. Nearby there was another camp some 6 km distant called Kosow Podlaski claimed to be an extermination camp for the Jews. This is no longer mentioned but is in the US Intelligence records. TIII aka Czerwony bor was also considered to be an extermination camp for the Jews. Perhaps these mass graves could be found in either of these two locations, if they exist. |
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Post by Robert on Nov 19, 2021 18:54:56 GMT
Nessie:
"My point is that physical... possibility can only be reliably determined by the engineering, construction and capabilities at that time. Considering what the Nazis were able to engineer and construct during WII, there is no doubt... large pits... were within their capabilities."
If there is "no doubt" that the Germans had the capability to dig large pits within the boundary of Treblinka II, then the next question is:
Has it ever been conclusively proven that the Germans actually dug large pits within the boundary of Treblinka II?
A simple yes or no answer will suffice.
If your answer is yes, then please tell us how many have been conclusively proven to currently exist, how "large" they actually are and who it was who conclusively proved the existence of these phantom "large pits."
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Post by Robert on Nov 19, 2021 19:03:11 GMT
Nessie:
"The role of the AR camps was to kill Jews"
Well then, if that is true, can you tell us EXACTLY what happened to all the bodies after they were killed?
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Post by nazgul on Nov 20, 2021 8:49:56 GMT
Well then, if that is true, can you tell us EXACTLY what happened to all the bodies after they were killed? I am sure that you, I and everyone else is aware of the claim; Nessie has given his answer multiple times. He will tell you that they were buried, dug up and burned on a grill as described by Wiernik. |
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Post by Robert on Nov 20, 2021 18:19:40 GMT
Nessie:
"The Nazis had equipment to dig massive earthworks for defences, so they had the same equipment to dig big pits"
These alleged "huge pits" that you keep mentioning; would you please explain to us all the different uses that the Germans put them to? (For instance, I have heard that pits were allegedly dug for wells, latrines, trash burning, etc.)
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Post by Robert on Nov 20, 2021 18:27:19 GMT
Nessie:
"The c860,000 people allegedly not gassed, destroys revisionist claims TII was a transit camp."
It appears that you are claiming 860,000 jews were gassed at Treblinka II.
Has your claim ever been conclusively proven?
How many jews do you alleged were killed in other ways, like being shot or electrocuted or ripped apart by dogs or by brain bashing machines, etc?
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Post by Nessie on Nov 20, 2021 20:06:51 GMT
Show your evidence to prove that only a few bone shards and a porcelain trademark is the sum total of the physical evidence from TII. Show us a few pictures of these mass graves at T2 then. By the way, you being a police investigator, have you been to this site yourself? Hermann Hofle banned photography at the AR camps;
"4. that there is an absolute prohibition on photography in the camps of Einsatz Reinhard"
There are no photos of the mass graves from when they were in use.
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Post by Nessie on Nov 20, 2021 20:11:22 GMT
Well then, if that is true, can you tell us EXACTLY what happened to all the bodies after they were killed? I am sure that you, I and everyone else is aware of the claim; Nessie has given his answer multiple times. He will tell you that they were buried, dug up and burned on a grill as described by Wiernik. Robert is asking the same questions that have been answered on multiple occasions in the past, in the style of multiple sockpuppets of Greg Gerdes. I don't intend to engage yet another sockpuppet, unless he agrees to engage in an evidenced debate, whereby he agrees to answer all questions asked of him directly and not by answering a question with a question. |
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Post by Robert on Nov 21, 2021 0:41:31 GMT
I am sure that you, I and everyone else is aware of the claim; Nessie has given his answer multiple times. He will tell you that they were buried, dug up and burned on a grill as described by Wiernik. Robert is asking the same questions that have been answered on multiple occasions in the past, in the style of multiple sockpuppets of Greg Gerdes. I don't intend to engage yet another sockpuppet, unless he agrees to engage in an evidenced debate, whereby he agrees to answer all questions asked of him directly and not by answering a question with a question. Nessie: "Even if you had proved the way all of the witnesses described... graves... are impossible, which you have not, that does not mean therefore no... graves..." There are graves within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp? How many? |
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Post by nazgul on Nov 21, 2021 1:06:15 GMT
Robert is asking the same questions that have been answered on multiple occasions in the past, in the style of multiple sockpuppets of Greg Gerdes. I don't intend to engage yet another sockpuppet, unless he agrees to engage in an evidenced debate, whereby he agrees to answer all questions asked of him directly and not by answering a question with a question. I agree with Nessie on this point; this is a new forum so Robert cannot be a "clone". From experience in the last forum, this kind of questioning technique leads to no where. Nessie has presented what he considers to be evidence which one can clarify, take it or leave it. |
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Post by Turnagain on Nov 21, 2021 3:39:35 GMT
What the witnesses said about how the graves were dug is meaningless beyond, "the graves were dug". Somewhere in the world at that time there was an excavator with the capacity to dig those graves so it was "possible" for those graves to be excavated. Treblinka gospel according to Nessie.
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Post by nazgul on Nov 21, 2021 4:27:07 GMT
What the witnesses said about how the graves were dug is meaningless beyond, "the graves were dug". Somewhere in the world at that time there was an excavator with the capacity to dig those graves so it was "possible" for those graves to be excavated. Treblinka gospel according to Nessie. With this apparently  |
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