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Post by Turnagain on Nov 21, 2021 4:34:53 GMT
Not according to Nessie. Those draglines were just tidying up at Treblinka after the grave excavating mystery machine had left.
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Nov 21, 2021 4:41:46 GMT
Not according to Nessie. Those draglines were just tidying up at Treblinka after the grave excavating mystery machine had left. Where did they go?
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Post by Turnagain on Nov 21, 2021 5:19:56 GMT
The mystery machine or the draglines?
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Post by Nessie on Nov 21, 2021 10:19:05 GMT
The topic of TII is being kept on the same old, already answered on multiple occasions, questions. For example, how many mass graves were dug at the camp in 1942 is unknown. Witness accounts vary and archaeological studies have found a number of disturbed areas of ground around the memorial that was built in the 1960s. But which ones were where the original graves were dug in 1942, has not been definitively established, due to other digging at the camp, when it was being raised to the ground and planted over in 1943 by the Nazis, when it was subject to grave robbing after the Soviets liberated the area in 1944 and when the memorial was constructed in 1965. Details of what was found at the camp site in by the Polish survey in 1945 here; web.archive.org/web/20191121142446/http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/t/4.htmlDetails of the later Staffs Uni, Caroline Sturdy-Colls lead study here; etheses.bham.ac.uk/id/eprint/3531/
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Post by Robert on Nov 21, 2021 14:59:10 GMT
Not according to Nessie. Those draglines were just tidying up at Treblinka after the grave excavating mystery machine had left. Where did they go? Well, the way I understand it, according to he holohoax delusionalists, 860,000 gassed jews, and an untold number of jews who were allegedly murdered by other means, went into huge pits within the boundary of Treblinka II. BTW, why are holohoax delusionalists always trying to turn an alleged murder case into a missing persons case?
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Post by Robert on Nov 21, 2021 15:10:26 GMT
Nessie:
"The topic of TII is being kept on the same old, already answered on multiple occasions, questions."
What was the answer to these questions:
How many "huge pits" have been conclusively proven to currently exist within the boundary of Treblinka II?
What are the names of all the "witnesses" who told the truth about mass graves within the boundary of Treblinka II?
What were all the alleged uses of the alleged "huge pits"? (Wells, latrines, trash burning, mass graves, ect?)
What exactly is the definition of "huge"?
Oh, BTW Nessie, you claim that 860,000 jews were gassed at Treblinka II.
Has that claim ever been conclusively proven?
And how many jews have been conclusively proven to have been killed in other ways, like being shot or electrocuted or ripped apart by dogs or by brain bashing machines, etc?
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Post by Nessie on Nov 21, 2021 15:58:32 GMT
Nessie: "The topic of TII is being kept on the same old, already answered on multiple occasions, questions." What was the answer to these questions: How many "huge pits" have been conclusively proven to currently exist within the boundary of Treblinka II? What are the names of all the "witnesses" who told the truth about mass graves within the boundary of Treblinka II? What were all the alleged uses of the alleged "huge pits"? (Wells, latrines, trash burning, mass graves, ect?) What exactly is the definition of "huge"? Oh, BTW Nessie, you claim that 860,000 jews were gassed at Treblinka II. Has that claim ever been conclusively proven? And how many jews have been conclusively proven to have been killed in other ways, like being shot or electrocuted or ripped apart by dogs or by brain bashing machines, etc? Answers here;
I doubt anyone will take you by the hand and walk you with baby steps through the details, since it has been done so many times before.
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Post by Robert on Nov 21, 2021 16:56:04 GMT
Maybe some other holohoax delusionalist will find the guts to answer these simple questions:
#1 - It has been conclusively proven that no less than __?__ jews actually set foot within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp.
#2 - It has been conclusively proven that no less than __?__ jews were transited through the Treblinka II camp.
#3 - It has been conclusively proven that no less than __?__ jews were murdered within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp.
#4 - It has been conclusively proven that no less than __?__ jews were gassed within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp.
#5 - It has been conclusively proven that no less than __?__ jews were shot within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp.
#6 - It has been conclusively proven that no less than __?__ jews were buried within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp.
#7 - It has been conclusively proven that no less than __?__ "huge pits" were dug within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp and utilized as mass graves.
#8 - It has been conclusively proven that no less than __?__ "huge pits" were dug within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp and utilized as trash pits.
#9 - It has been conclusively proven that no less than __?__ mass graves currently exist within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp.
#10 - It has been conclusively proven that the following "eyewitnesses" told the truth about mass graves within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp:
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Post by Nessie on Nov 21, 2021 17:07:10 GMT
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Nov 22, 2021 6:32:47 GMT
In your opinion Nessie was the purpose and function of TII similar to Sobibor? Were there some qualitative differences that you might like to share with your audience. You may be aware that one "eye witness" at Treblinka claimed that the bodies were dismembered immediately after gassing, before the "ovens"; this is why he (Yehiel Reichman) counted heads to get a "head count" . Do you think that bodies were dismembered at Sobibor with similar head counting going on?
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Post by Nessie on Nov 22, 2021 9:23:20 GMT
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Post by ๐๐จ๐๐๐ซ๐๐ญ๐จ๐ซ on Nov 22, 2021 17:29:50 GMT
Can you link to the source of the Reichman quote? There is no need to constantly remind readers of what you think the purposes of AR camps were (mantra); the board requirement is new material unless asked for clarification. I found the following link about dismembered corpses. Demjanjuk trialThe fact that this man is omitting information from one report to another is perhaps telling. Two different things: butchering and powdering.
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Nov 22, 2021 23:40:24 GMT
My opinion is not important. The evidence from witnesses and documents is that TII and Sobibor (along with Belzec) served the same purpose. Under AR, ghettos were being cleared and people transported to those camps, where they were gassed and the last of their property was stolen for use by the Nazis. Yehiel Reichman states (as previously mentioned) that bodies were dismembered; as you say that all the AR camps served the same purpose, this seems to imply their was some sort of Holocaust Franchise going on, using similar methods, like some macabre HFC. Perhaps all of the camps chopped up the bodies before burying or cremating? If so this would enhance the soap making process as was claimed. Alexander 'Sasha' Pechersky the jewish Soviet POW at Sobibor, was instrumental in the uprising on 14th October 1943. As readers know that soap is simply made by mixing fats from animals (including human) with caustic soda. Chopping up carcasses and rendering the fats obtained the necessary dripping for saponification (soap forming) to occur. This would also give a supply of heads which could be sent to Buchenwald for the appropriate shrinking.
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Post by Nessie on Nov 23, 2021 8:27:59 GMT
My opinion is not important. The evidence from witnesses and documents is that TII and Sobibor (along with Belzec) served the same purpose. Under AR, ghettos were being cleared and people transported to those camps, where they were gassed and the last of their property was stolen for use by the Nazis. Yehiel Reichman states (as previously mentioned) that bodies were dismembered; as you say that all the AR camps served the same purpose, this seems to imply their was some sort of Holocaust Franchise going on, using similar methods, like some macabre HFC. Perhaps all of the camps chopped up the bodies before burying or cremating? If so this would enhance the soap making process as was claimed. Alexander 'Sasha' Pechersky the jewish Soviet POW at Sobibor, was instrumental in the uprising on 14th October 1943. As readers know that soap is simply made by mixing fats from animals (including human) with caustic soda. Chopping up carcasses and rendering the fats obtained the necessary dripping for saponification (soap forming) to occur. This would also give a supply of heads which could be sent to Buchenwald for the appropriate shrinking. You are mixing hearsay and rumour with eyewitness evidence as if they are the same. The people who knew the most about what was happening inside TII, were the Nazis who worked there. They all admit mass gassings, burials and cremations, none claim human soap or beheadings and their evidence is corroborated by documents, physical and other circumstantial evidence.
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Post by Sandhurst on Nov 23, 2021 9:01:01 GMT
mixing hearsay and rumour with eyewitness evidence as if they are the same. The people who knew the most about what was happening inside TII, were the Nazis who worked there. They all admit mass gassings, burials and cremations, none claim human soap or beheadings and their evidence is corroborated by documents, physical and other circumstantial evidence. The eye witness to the beheading and butchering was mentioned; this is not hearsay, but personal observation. Perhaps you are suggesting that the eye witness was incorrect in that he did not see heads roll. It seems that the people doing the interviews were concentrating on the gassing and not the minor details of dismemberment; they were not asked. Mentioning corroborating documents, circumstantial and physical evidence means nothing unless that evidence is produced, one at a time for discussion. Perhaps they were gassed and turned into soap and shrunken heads. This is what was claimed at Nuremberg. Just sayin.
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