Treblinka

Actually, when someone is emotionally invested in a cherished but delusional, cultish belief, it IS about them. Every refutation of their belief-system, every exposure of the ridiculousness of its core creeds is taken personally. 

E.g. the beliefs about mass-murder gassings of nealy a million people at Treblinka killed because they were Jewish.
QUESTION: Is there any empirical evidence of that many killed and buried there in that relatively tiny area? 
ANSWER: no.

QUESTION: is that absence of corroborating empirical evidence for the belief-system important?
ANSWER: er, no, not if you are a cult-victim of the belief-system. Otherwise, YES!!!! OBVIOUSLY yes! 🙄

Because in legal trials there is something called: “beyond a reasonable doubt”. 
This standard of proof is much higher than some secular, pseudo-historical, phantasy of existentialist special-suffering.

In murder trials where an innocent person may lose their life either through execution or via incarceration in prison till they die, the importance of “beyond a reasonable doubt” is even more crucial.

Yet the ‘holocaust’ claim of a Jew-genocide resulting in 2.7 million Jews who were supposedly gassed (2,757,000 to be precise) is NOWHERE NEAR being proven ”beyond a reasonable doubt”. On the contrary! Which is precisely why expressing any type of doubt is forbidden and even criminalised.

The holocaust isn’t a ‘missing person’ investigation!
It is an epoch-altering, mass-murder allegation. And the credibility of what has been presented as‘evidence’ is so weak, that “reasonable doubt” I suggest is the default position of anyone who looks at it in detail with an open mind and without preconceived bias.

Ah, but there’s the rub: looking at it in detail with an open mind and without preconceived bias.

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Here is a list that is erroneously claimed to be evidence of mass-gassing extermination of nealy a million people at Treblinka (TII mostly). It has been compiled by an insanely delusional and wilfully ignorant person who has shown themself to be approaching the topic as a closed-minded cult-believer intent on defending AT ALL COSTS this disputed WW2 atrocity propaganda narrative.

The reality that any open-minded, intelligent, sane person will concede is that NOTHING in the following list would be accepted in a court of law as definitive, conclusive proof of the mass-murder of 900,000 people by gas. Because THAT is what is alleged here! And THAT is what is being debated here. 
 We are not debating whether there was a camp here.
 We are not discussing whether people were transported here.
 We are debating whether 900,000 people were killed and buried here!

There is NOTHING here in the following list that either alone or taken together in support of that calumny withstands critical scrutiny.

There is NOTHING here that either alone or taken together proves “there is no other reasonable explanation that can come from the evidence”.

That the ludicrous testimony of discredited liars and phantasists like Avraham Bomba, Yankel Wiernik, Richard Glazar, Eliahu Rosenberg, etc., are included here, is actually PROOF that the person compiling this list has extremely LOW standards for guaging what is credible ’evidence’.

This list is therefore ironically further proof that the bar is set so low that we can safely conclude the holocaust mass-gassing genocide is NOT a genuine historiography. It shows it is instead a quasi-religious mass-delusion.

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1 - Presented as ’physical evidence’ but in reality is extremely dubious, non-peer-reviewed testimonial evidence.
The 1945 Polish site examination of TII under Judge Lukaszkiewicz (Mattogno summary, not the original report);
www.vho.org/GB/Books/t/4.html

The 2011 Caroline Sturdy-Colls thesis/dissertation on the examination of TII;
etheses.bham.ac.uk/id/eprint/35 ... s12PhD.pdf

Summary of works at Treblinka, both camps, by staff from Staffs University (including C S-C); 
blogs.staffs.ac.uk/archaeology/p ... treblinka/
blogs.staffs.ac.uk/archaeology/ ... published/

Summary of the documentary made that followed some the work by Staffs Uni at Treblinka (includes details on how to watch the film);
blogs.staffs.ac.uk/archaeology/p ... -genocide/

CAD reconstruction of the gas chambers, from witness testimony;
www.deathcamps.org/gas_chambers/ ... ebcad.html

2 - Witness evidence (previously refuted and discredited) 
2.1 - Sonderkommado Jews seeking revenge
List of eye witnesses, those who were inside TII and saw the gassings and other activity at the camp (there are 13 German and 7 Ukrainian camp staff and 14 Jewish Sonderkommandos in Part D) Das Prussians list of all witnesses to gassings.

rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=3196

Yankel Wiernik's 1945 book "A Year in Treblinka". His testimony in 1945 to Judge Łukaszkiewicz . His testimony at a trial in 1947. His testimony at the Eichmann trial
www.zchor.org/treblink/wiernik.htm

Abraham Krzepicki book "Eighteen Days in Treblinka"
www.tapatalk.com/groups/holocau ... t1916.html

Extracts from Sonderkommado testimony;
Oscar Strawczynski
www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... ki%20.html
www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/str ... evolt.html

Hershl Sperling
www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... rling.html

Richard Glazar
www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... lazar.html

Avraham Bomba
www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... bomba.html

Eliahu Rosenberg (Eichmann trial)
www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... imony.html

Filmed evidence from Sonderkommandos Samuel Willenberg and Kalman Taigman;
www.imdb.com/title/tt5641828/

Original testimony, 1946 trial testimony and the book "Last Jew of Treblinka" by Samuel Rajzman
www.zapisyterroru.pl/dlibra/pub ... DAgN3Y7N2o
avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/02-27-46.asp

Original testimony of Sonderkommado Abe Kon;
www.zapisyterroru.pl/dlibra/pub ... dyA3dDs3aA

Eichmann trial testimony of Avraham Lindwasser;
www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... imony.html

List of Jewish witnesses selected on arrival at TII and transported to other labour camps for work;
studylib.net/doc/7233192/trebli ... ist-edited

2.2 - Vanquished PoWs trying to avoid torture and execution
Extracts of Nazi testimony about the various AR camps, including Treblinka;
www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... speak.html

2.3 - Polish railway workers seeking revenge
Franciszek Zabecki, station master
www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... becki.html

Henryk Gawkowski, train driver
collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn1004372

Stefan Kucharek, train driver
collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn507880

Karol Socha, pointsman
www.zapisyterroru.pl/dlibra/pub ... DAgN3Y7N2o

Józef Pogorzelski, train dispatcher
www.zapisyterroru.pl/dlibra/pub ... DAgN3Y7N2o

Kazimierz Gawkowski, pointsman
www.zapisyterroru.pl/dlibra/pub ... DAgN3Y7N2o

2.4 - Showtrial statements of those who sought revenge at Polish enquiry into TII, by Judge Łukaszkiewicz in 1945
www.zapisyterroru.pl/dlibra/res ... 20camp&p=0

3 - Controversial, partial, cherry-picked, forged and/or disputed documentary evidence claiming mass transports to TII
Höfle Telegram;
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/edu ... -telegram/

Stroop Report (transportation of Jews from Warsaw to TII to be exterminated);
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/th ... t-may-1943

Korherr Report;
www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... rherr.html

Timelines and records of transports to TII;
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_ ... ation_camp
web.archive.org/web/20130522164 ... today.html

Ganzenmuller Letter, July 1942;
www.deathcamps.org/reinhard/pic/ ... eller2.jpg

Warsaw Treblinka shuttle train document, August 1942;
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%B6fl ... blinka.jpg

"Shuttle train No. 548 departing from Warszawa Gdańska station to Treblinka beginning 6 August 1942 onward; exact timetable. Purpose: daily deportations; returning empty."

4 - Photographs
Aerial photo from 1944;
collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/pa29035

Some photos from the Kurt Franz album of the camp;
www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... index.html

Photos of the camp site in 1945;
www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/lasttracks.html

Treblinka photos from The Ghetto Fighters archive;
infocenters.co.il/gfh/list.asp
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Another literally stupid answer.
1. The list is YOUR OWN ridiculous list that provides ZERO ‘evidence’ of mass-gassing. 
2. I apply the term empirical as a means to separate VERIFIABLE FACTS from questionable, improbable rumour and vengeful calumny. 
3. The testimonial, lie witness accounts concerning “MASS-GASSINGS” have NOT been “verified”. They have only been “corroborated” by other lie-witness accounts and by applying a colossal confirmation bias.

So another quite spectacular fail from the forum fool.

In what way are the statements of the people who were working inside TII, documents recording mass arrivals at the camp, the archaeological surveys and the circumstances of AR, zero evidence?



How would you verify evidence to accurately assess it?



The witnesses to TII have been verified by the evidence that they were there and from their claims being corroborated. If someone claims something and that claim is corroborated by evidence independent of them, then their claim is verified. For example, the witnesses at TII claim people arrived on mass transports on trains. That is verified by the Nazi documents recording mass transports on trains.



You are such a child.

I clearly did not say that. I pointed out that if it is claimed that there were no mass gassings at TII, then it is a missing persons enquiry, because zero evidence has been presented to show where those people went to after keaving TII.



You are such a child.



I was responding to your comment that "The holocaust isn’t a ‘missing person’ investigation!" by pointing out that it is, IF you claim no gassings. You have assumed I meant you in particular, but it was just a general comment. You try to present yourself as on the fence about gassings, but the arguments you use are the same as used by those commonly referred to as "Holocaust deniers". I do not believe you are being genuine.



Plenty of that evidence was accepted in a court of law, when the Treblinka trials took place in Germany. It was accepted by the courts as proof, as the accused were found guilty. If the trials were run again, that evidence would be accepted by the court and the result would be the same.



I agree with all of the historians, journalists and lawyers who have studied the evidence, verified it and accept it proves mass gassings took place. The REASON why I agree with them is because they use the methodology I was taught at university and the police. The REASON why I do not accept your claims about the evidence, is because you use a bizarre methodology that is based on logical fallacies, you show great ignorance of evidencing and proof and you have an obvious agenda. Your version of "critical scrutiny" is exactly the same as used by those known as "Holocaust deniers".

Nessie claims to have empirical evidence that hundreds of thousands of Jews were murdered in hermetically sealed gas/vacuum chambers, buried in mass graves, exhumed with a clamshell, cremated on the magic Jew barbeque and reburied at Treblinka. When asked what that evidence is he begins all over with the claims of the so-called eyewitnesses and the alleged findings of such charlatans as Lukaszkiewcz and CS-C. Rinse and repeat.