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Post by ๐๐จ๐๐๐ซ๐๐ญ๐จ๐ซ on Jan 6, 2022 9:59:22 GMT
Are you now claiming that the Jews gave the Nazis accurate figures and sent false figures to the World Almanac? I think it is thought that the false figures were conjured before those jews worked on them; they built upon prefrabricated figures. This if it happened is a well executed plan of iniquity. |
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Post by Nessie on Jan 6, 2022 10:12:47 GMT
Are you now claiming that the Jews gave the Nazis accurate figures and sent false figures to the World Almanac? I think it is thought that the false figures were conjured before those jews worked on them; they built upon prefrabricated figures. This if it happened is a well executed plan of iniquity. The Almanac figures came before the Korherr figures, so you are now admitting the Almanac figures were false. But you are also claiming the Korherr figures are false. So, are you now saying both sets of figures are false? How is that a well executed plan? |
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Post by Agandaur on Jan 6, 2022 10:16:52 GMT
How is that a well executed plan? Good reason to suppose the jewish Holocaust was supposed to happen WWI; not planned but a self fulfilling prophecy. This did not happen so 2o or so years later with more organization it was kick started into fruition. |
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Post by Nessie on Jan 6, 2022 10:24:20 GMT
How is that a well executed plan? Good reason to suppose the jewish Holocaust was supposed to happen WWI; not planned but a self fulfilling prophecy. This did not happen so 2o or so years later with more organization it was kick started into fruition. That Jews in the USA were claiming the Jewish population was hardly being affected by WWII, at the same time Jews in Europe were providing the Nazis with figures of a plummeting population, does not look anything like a coordinated plan. It looks far more like one side had completely cocked up.
My question about what is more likely to be the correct figure has not been answered. The Almanac estimates a drop of 0.5 million, Korherr specifies a drop of 4 million by 1943/4.
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Post by Agandaur on Jan 6, 2022 10:29:49 GMT
The Almanac estimates a drop of 0.5 million, Korherr specifies a drop of 4 million by 1943/4. In your opinion 400 thousand dead jews is a holocaust? |
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Post by Nessie on Jan 6, 2022 10:38:24 GMT
The Almanac estimates a drop of 0.5 million, Korherr specifies a drop of 4 million by 1943/4. In your opinion 400 thousand dead jews is a holocaust? It would be a genocide and it I would expect it to be remembered by a term, such as the "Holocaust". |
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Post by Agandaur on Jan 6, 2022 23:01:22 GMT
It would be a genocide and it I would expect it to be remembered by a term, such as the "Holocaust". By the current definition of genocide there is no doubt of this, but the holocaust is more than just mere genocide; it is genocide on steroids where nothing said is contradicted providing it is in the affirmative. Of course the natural mortality cannot be classed as genocide unless the conditions were such as to provide the people the necessities of life; other ethnic groups were treated the same way with similar mortality figures. |
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Post by Nessie on Jan 7, 2022 13:22:10 GMT
It would be a genocide and it I would expect it to be remembered by a term, such as the "Holocaust". By the current definition of genocide there is no doubt of this, but the holocaust is more than just mere genocide; it is genocide on steroids where nothing said is contradicted providing it is in the affirmative. Of course the natural mortality cannot be classed as genocide unless the conditions were such as to provide the people the necessities of life; other ethnic groups were treated the same way with similar mortality figures. Many claims about the Holocaust have been contradicted, for example, how many died at each camp. Over the decades, the death toll has dropped significantly from the earliest claims. Claims about the use of stream and vacuums, and many claims about camps with gas chambers have been contradicted. There is still argument over much of what happened, with much disagreement between historians, especially over the planning of the Holocaust. Any claim made by a historian, has to be backed by evidence, before it will be accepted. |
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Post by Ulios on Jan 7, 2022 17:45:22 GMT
Many claims about the Holocaust have been contradicted, for example, how many died at each camp. Over the decades, the death toll has dropped significantly from the earliest claims. Claims about the use of stream and vacuums, and many claims about camps with gas chambers have been contradicted. There is still argument over much of what happened, with much disagreement between historians, especially over the planning of the Holocaust. Any claim made by a historian, has to be backed by evidence, before it will be accepted. It seems that every building pile is a gas chamber, every mound of dirt is a mass grave, every trademark tile is a star of david. I think that what they consider evidence is really baloney. |
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Post by Nessie on Jan 7, 2022 17:59:56 GMT
Many claims about the Holocaust have been contradicted, for example, how many died at each camp. Over the decades, the death toll has dropped significantly from the earliest claims. Claims about the use of stream and vacuums, and many claims about camps with gas chambers have been contradicted. There is still argument over much of what happened, with much disagreement between historians, especially over the planning of the Holocaust. Any claim made by a historian, has to be backed by evidence, before it will be accepted. It seems that every building pile is a gas chamber, every mound of dirt is a mass grave, every trademark tile is a star of david. I think that what they consider evidence is really baloney. It is the opposite. Every place alleged to have had a gas chamber was investigated and only those where there was sufficient, credible, corroborating evidence were accepted by historians and courts.
As for baloney, revisionism relies on logical fallacies, not evidence.
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Post by Ulios on Jan 7, 2022 18:35:36 GMT
It seems that every building pile is a gas chamber, every mound of dirt is a mass grave, every trademark tile is a star of david. I think that what they consider evidence is really baloney. It is the opposite. Every place alleged to have had a gas chamber was investigated and only those where there was sufficient, credible, corroborating evidence were accepted by historians and courts.
As for baloney, revisionism relies on logical fallacies, not evidence.
Thhis is not about your perceived ideas of revisionism or fallacies but about what happened to real people. Get off your high horse and do some research without blabbing the known spiel. |
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Post by Nessie on Jan 7, 2022 19:30:11 GMT
It is the opposite. Every place alleged to have had a gas chamber was investigated and only those where there was sufficient, credible, corroborating evidence were accepted by historians and courts.
As for baloney, revisionism relies on logical fallacies, not evidence.
Thhis is not about your perceived ideas of revisionism or fallacies but about what happened to real people. Get off your high horse and do some research without blabbing the known spiel. It is you who lacks evidence, not me. The Almanac admitted they were using estimates, they lacked evidence and for an unknown reason, assumed the Jewish population in Europe was hardly affected by the war! |
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Post by Ulios on Jan 8, 2022 18:26:45 GMT
an unknown reason, assumed the Jewish population in Europe was hardly affected by the war! Jewish soldiers served Yet despite all this evidence of massive jewish loss they assume the populations were hardly affected and so increase the birth rate dramatically. I propose they were well aware of the upheavel and losses at the time but fudged the figures in the hope of another war where the blame could be layed. |
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Post by blake121666 on Jan 15, 2022 21:51:21 GMT
TheLittleGreyRabbitofInle said: Don't forget the Jews killed with steam, vacuum, beaten to death, mauled by dogs, shot while climbing a rickety jungle gym, killed with the pedal powered brain-bashing machine, drowned in wells or were electrocuted on the electric Jew tilt-a-whirl. They were all then cremated on the magic Jew barbeque. Thanks to the internet and unfortunately for you hoaxers, the bizarre claims of the alleged eyewitnesses are becoming generally known and people are having their "WTF" moments. For an ever growing segment of the population, the holyhoax is becoming a subject of derision and laughter. If you think that explains "where did they go" then I guess you can go with that. The formerly large Jewish communities of Eastern Europe not existing at the end of the war is never even speculated about in the denialist position. But your pointing out of large amounts of BS circulating about Jewish deaths doesn't explain the vanishing of those Jewish communities. It is more important to you that there is abundant confusion over Jewish deaths than the non-existence of the Jews at war's end. |
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 15, 2022 22:03:27 GMT
Rabbit wails, "Where did they gooooooo?". Forget the fact that the bizarre tales of murder most foul took place in six camps all located under the Soviet's control. Gee, what a coincidence or more reasonably, a "cohencidence". Rabbit conveniently forgets that the death toll for Auschwitz-Birkenau dropped from four million to about one million while the Majdanek toll went from 1.5 million to a still inflated 78,000 from all causes. Where did those ~4 million supposed murder victims go, Rabbit?
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