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Post by Nessie on Jan 3, 2022 8:52:31 GMT
How are "Stormfront" and "From the Trenches" neutral sources? Wow! The dishonest mind-set of that reply! ๐ฎ Proof there is no possibility of reasonable discussion with this person on his holocaust belief-system. You are dodging the question and giving yourself an excuse to run away from the topic. You have failed to check your sources or their claims. Encyclopedia Britannica does not use the Almanac for Jewish population statistics.
You are unable to provide any evidence to prove the Jewish World Almanac had the most accurate population records and that the European population of Jews hardly decreased during WWII.
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Post by Agandaur on Jan 3, 2022 9:04:48 GMT
You have failed to check your sources or their claims. Encyclopedia Britannica does not use the Almanac for Jewish population statistics. You are unable to provide any evidence to prove the Jewish World Almanac had the most accurate population records and that the European population of Jews hardly decreased during WWII. When they were the only source of jewish population it is assinine to suggest there were others. These fact as written in the Korherr report in the first few pages.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 3, 2022 9:07:51 GMT
.. What the poster Nessie is trying to imply is that 2.14 million Jews were not scattered across the Reich and its territories, in the Todt and Schmelt organizations and concentration camps. There were plenty of groups in private industries like Oskar Schindler portrayed; he needed his Jews to make a profit, had little to do with their health and well being. When one considers the work going on in the Channell Islands, the fortification in France, the muster of the 660 concentration camps in Poland, another 250 + in Belarus and even more in the Baltic states, I really do think there is enough room for a few million Jews. What I mentioned is just 950 camps. Those alone would give a muster of 2200 which is the normal camp muster. This is reduced significantly when the Todt and Schmelt including the Schindler type camps. Please evidence that in 1945, there were 2.14 million Jews in camps in Nazi occupied territory. All you need to do is gather statistics of how many Jews were in each camp as it was liberated. For example; Bergen-Belsen, 60,000 (not all were Jewish) www.iwm.org.uk/history/the-liberation-of-bergen-belsenDachau, 30,000 (not all were Jewish) encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/gallery/liberation-of-dachau A-B, 9,000 www.history.com/news/auschwitz-liberation-soviets-holocaustNatzweiler-Struthof, 0 (only camp staff remained) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natzweiler-Struthof_concentration_campMajdanek, 500 www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/liberation-of-nazi-camp-majdanek-1944Buchewald 21,000 (not all were Jewish) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buchenwald_concentration_campMauthausen 22,000 (not all were Jewish) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauthausen_concentration_camp#Liberation_and_postwar_heritageThat is a total of 144,500 from the 7 largest camps. You have another c2 million to evidence.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 3, 2022 9:10:54 GMT
You have failed to check your sources or their claims. Encyclopedia Britannica does not use the Almanac for Jewish population statistics. You are unable to provide any evidence to prove the Jewish World Almanac had the most accurate population records and that the European population of Jews hardly decreased during WWII. When they were the only source of jewish population it is assinine to suggest there were others. These fact as written in the Korherr report in the first few pages. Where does Korherr say he got his stats from the World Jewish Almanac? Korherr's figures are very different from the Almanac.
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Post by Agandaur on Jan 3, 2022 20:28:12 GMT
Where does Korherr say he got his stats from the World Jewish Almanac? Korherr's figures are very different from the Almanac. It was made quite clear in this link; the Reich Association of Jews (Reichsvereinigung der Juden in Deutschland) and census jews were used. Its corporate members, were Jewish congregations and Jewish associations, the same people who supplied population statistics to the AJC; this is why they were assisting Korherr under supervision of the Gestapo. Korherr says "for the most part". Once again we are asked to repeat what was already posted. The world jewish almanac was edited by Untermyer and his Zionists before publication. Nothing was printed that did not cross the desk of Samuel Untermyer.
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Post by Ulios on Jan 3, 2022 22:17:53 GMT
All you need to do is gather statistics of how many Jews were in each camp as it was liberated. For example; That is a total of 144,500 from the 7 largest camps. You have another c2 million to evidence. It was clearly mentioned that a huge number of people worked for the Todt and Schmelt organizations; the Schmelt workers were mainly Jews. link, the Schmelt jews were often disguised as Todt workers. link144 k people in 7 camps out of a total of 44 thousand camps. From the numbers given this would average 20 thousand in each camp. Most camps held about 2,000 (Sobibor) and 1000 (Treblinka); due to the high population fluctuations the camp muster would vary depending on where work was needed. Most of the camps in Belarus were unknown and still unknown today; it is these camps where most of the evacuees to the Russian East were located as well as the Oil Shale camps in the Baltic states. Until fairly recently most of the extermination supporters knew of very few camps in Belarus using Trostenets as the main camp then with great glee would ask (out of pure ignorance) "where did the others go". It has been stated many times so far with links the Belarus Minister of Foreign Affairs(V.Makei) stating clearly of over 260 camps in Belarus. The Belarus Jews did not do well due the consideration of their Jewish Bolshevism and very real terrorist activities; this involves all, woman, children. The Belarus Partisan Terrorists murdered over a million Heer soldiers so the ensuing reprisals were as heinous. The East was a war of true annihilation. Their demise meant plenty of room for the Western Jews. To continually mention "resettlement" as a fact is a deliberate obfuscation; people were drafted into work programs and shifted from place to place as needed. There is no doubt some terrible war crimes were committed by unscrupulous officers but this was not general policy.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 5, 2022 9:18:30 GMT
Where does Korherr say he got his stats from the World Jewish Almanac? Korherr's figures are very different from the Almanac. It was made quite clear in this link; the Reich Association of Jews (Reichsvereinigung der Juden in Deutschland) and census jews were used. Its corporate members, were Jewish congregations and Jewish associations, the same people who supplied population statistics to the AJC; this is why they were assisting Korherr under supervision of the Gestapo. Korherr says "for the most part". Once again we are asked to repeat what was already posted. The world jewish almanac was edited by Untermyer and his Zionists before publication. Nothing was printed that did not cross the desk of Samuel Untermyer. From the Korherr Report
The RAJ "worked with censuses, counting-cards for population movement, extrapolation, and calculations and estimates. These Jewish offices work under the supervision of the Reich Security Main Office."
The Nazis got Jews to count how many Jews there were, using the population figures the Nazis had derived by requiring all Jews to be identified and registered. That means the Nazis had the most reliable and credible Jewish population figures. Korherr also got figures from other Nazi sources, such as the population of camps and ghettos and from AR and how many Jews had been sent to the AR camps.
The Almanac just estimated war years populations from pre war estimates.
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Post by Agandaur on Jan 5, 2022 9:24:04 GMT
The Nazis got Jews to count how many Jews there were, using the population figures the Nazis had derived by requiring all Jews to be identified and registered. That means the Nazis had the most reliable and credible Jewish population figures. Korherr also got figures from other Nazi sources, such as the population of camps and ghettos and from AR and how many Jews had been sent to the AR camps. The Almanac just estimated war years populations from pre war estimates. What is clear is that it is the Jews who collated the data. I will repeat the post that Korherr states the main source of information are from the Jews themselves. These Jews were in collaboration with Untermyer despite the Gestapo supervision.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 5, 2022 15:06:47 GMT
The Nazis got Jews to count how many Jews there were, using the population figures the Nazis had derived by requiring all Jews to be identified and registered. That means the Nazis had the most reliable and credible Jewish population figures. Korherr also got figures from other Nazi sources, such as the population of camps and ghettos and from AR and how many Jews had been sent to the AR camps. The Almanac just estimated war years populations from pre war estimates. What is clear is that it is the Jews who collated the data. I will repeat the post that Korherr states the main source of information are from the Jews themselves. These Jews were in collaboration with Untermyer despite the Gestapo supervision. The Nazis required Jews to be identified and registered, with Jews collecting the data under Nazi supervision. That provided the Nazis with the most up to date and accurate data on populations. Korherr recorded massive drops in the Jewish population.
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Post by Ulios on Jan 5, 2022 18:40:26 GMT
The Nazis required Jews to be identified and registered, with Jews collecting the data under Nazi supervision. That provided the Nazis with the most up to date and accurate data on populations. Korherr recorded massive drops in the Jewish population. It shows how easy the Nazis were duped; these Zionists are part of the Untermyer 5th column. They were feeding the Nazis with misinformation as they had been doing for years to suit political agendas.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 5, 2022 18:58:30 GMT
The Nazis required Jews to be identified and registered, with Jews collecting the data under Nazi supervision. That provided the Nazis with the most up to date and accurate data on populations. Korherr recorded massive drops in the Jewish population. It shows how easy the Nazis were duped; these Zionists are part of the Untermyer 5th column. They were feeding the Nazis with misinformation as they had been doing for years to suit political agendas. Come back when you can evidence that extraordinary claim!
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Post by Ulios on Jan 5, 2022 20:35:42 GMT
Come back when you can evidence that extraordinary claim! Nessie should be well aware of the forum rules about throw away comments. He should have found counter evidence or some other facts to suggests the statements made were somehow incorrect. This poster is well aware of these issues being brought up in the past, older forum. He tries to scrape out of this, as with everything else by demanding evidence when it was presented prior. However, this forum is not about him or his "ferret" ways but about facts. Lets look at those facts as Hรผntinger has expressed in the old forum: American Jewish Committee (AJC) create the Jewish Distribution Committee (JDC) a few years after its inception. - The JDC is in reality a subsidiary organization of the the AJC
- The JDC is responsible for collecting data on world Jude populations in conjunction with the AJC who collects US Jude population.
This data from Europe was collated by local Jewish bodies, later seconded to the Gestapo for statistical collection - Neither group has any oversight of their statistical methods or independent verification
- The AJC publish their data by using the Jewish Publication Society (JPS) also a subsidiary of AJC
- Both the AJC and JDC present data to the World Almanac which publishes the collated data, without independent verification.
- Samuel Untermyer was at the time the president of Keren Hayesod, a Zionist organization founded July 7โ24, 1920.
- Samuel Untermyer was also leader of the AJC who highly influenced the data collecting organization the JDC
- Samuel Untermyer in 1933 predicts publicly a Jรผdische genocide
Untermeyer being head of the Zionist group and AJC would be profoundly aware the loss of 6 million Jude would have to create the state of Israel as well as being aware of the power of the magical number six million (had been used over 200 times before by others). Whether or not Untermyer deliberately ordered the fabrication of statistical data may never be known but from his prediction of 1933 there was always going to be that confirmational bias in the minds of those analyzing the data. It is highly likely that all data collected from the JDC would have passed through Untermyers hands and finally onto publication post war with no alteration of data. Untermyer died March 16, 1940 but as a founding prominent leader of various organizations such as Non-Sectarian Anti-Nazi League. After his death this was led by James H. Sheldon, who after the war changed its mission to directly investigate right-wing propaganda groups. This group was more akin to an intelligence agency and a zionist hate group, the remnants which still can be felt today. The fact is there is a strong connection between the various Jewish groups, those under Untermyer and those with the Gestapo.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 5, 2022 20:45:39 GMT
OK, so as Reich Association of Jews were conning Korherr into thinking the Jewish population in Europe was dropping dramatically, the Jewish World Almanac were publishing the correct figures and blowing the hoax. How come no one in Nazi intelligence noticed?
Do you think the Almanac's population claims of
1941 - 15,748,091 1944 - 15,192,089
so a drop of 556,002 is a realistic claim that can be backed by any evidence?
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Post by Ulios on Jan 5, 2022 23:47:15 GMT
OK, so as Reich Association of Jews were conning Korherr into thinking the Jewish population in Europe was dropping dramatically, the Jewish World Almanac were publishing the correct figures and blowing the hoax. How come no one in Nazi intelligence noticed? Do you think the Almanac's population claims of 1941 - 15,748,091 1944 - 15,192,089 so a drop of 556,002 is a realistic claim that can be backed by any evidence? Back extrapolation from modern data with decline of Jewish numbers puts the world population closer to 11 million. To suggest a population spike after a major war (WWI) when hundreds of thousands of Jewish men died is ridiculous. The data figures are fudged, or mistaken. 
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Post by Nessie on Jan 6, 2022 9:55:33 GMT
OK, so as Reich Association of Jews were conning Korherr into thinking the Jewish population in Europe was dropping dramatically, the Jewish World Almanac were publishing the correct figures and blowing the hoax. How come no one in Nazi intelligence noticed? Do you think the Almanac's population claims of 1941 - 15,748,091 1944 - 15,192,089 so a drop of 556,002 is a realistic claim that can be backed by any evidence? Back extrapolation from modern data with decline of Jewish numbers puts the world population closer to 11 million. To suggest a population spike after a major war (WWI) when hundreds of thousands of Jewish men died is ridiculous. The data figures are fudged, or mistaken.  Are you now claiming that the Jews gave the Nazis accurate figures and sent false figures to the World Almanac?
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