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Post by Nessie on Jan 26, 2022 19:39:07 GMT
No, I just don't believe the tales of the hermetically sealed gas chamber with a 27 liter engine pumping it's exhaust into it. I don't believe that cadavers can be cremated on a grate with only tiny amounts of kindling for a heat source. No, I don't believe the tales of people getting their ears nailed to a wall and of burning blood. Your claim that was just mistakes or exaggerations and everything that was claimed "coulda" been done by the eeevul Narzis is just your fantasy from holyhoax la-la land. It didn't happen. It does not matter what you believe. It matters what is evidenced. You demand belief in what is not evidenced to have happened and is physically impossible to do without leaving any evidence. How is that rational?
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Post by Ulios on Jan 26, 2022 20:09:36 GMT
does not matter what you believe. It matters what is evidenced. You demand belief in what is not evidenced to have happened and is physically impossible to do without leaving any evidence. How is that rational? 
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 26, 2022 23:20:03 GMT
LOL! Nessie claims to have "evidence". He doesn't. He also claims that it was impossible for the Germans to transport Jews out of Treblinka. Elsewhere, Nessie claims that trainloads of deportees left Treblinka. Life in holyhoax la-la land.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 27, 2022 8:45:59 GMT
LOL! Nessie claims to have "evidence". He doesn't. He also claims that it was impossible for the Germans to transport Jews out of Treblinka. Elsewhere, Nessie claims that trainloads of deportees left Treblinka. Life in holyhoax la-la land.
Yet more misrepresentation to prop up your beliefs.
There is evidence that c860,000 people arrived at TII and then c6500-9000 people left to go south or west to labour camps in Poland.
You claim that most of the other c850,000 also left the camp, but not only is there no evidence that happened, there is evidence they were gassed.
It is physically impossible for so many people to have left TII, without there being any evidence of a process inside TII that was other than gassing, or evidence of their transport and subsequent accommodation.
Anyone rational, who reads your unevidenced physically impossible claims, will see it is you who is in la-la land.
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 27, 2022 12:07:31 GMT
Nessie can't keep his story straight. First he claimed 6-9,000 left Treblinka then upped it to 18-20,000 and now has reduced it back to 6-9,000. At any rate, let's just say that multiple thousands left Treblinka so why doesn't that constitute evidence that Treblinka was a transit camp? What "evidence" would train cars leave at Treblinka when transporting deportees?
BTW, are you claiming to believe the tales of people having their ears nailed to the wall and of burning blood?
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Post by Nessie on Jan 27, 2022 12:42:14 GMT
Nessie can't keep his story straight. First he claimed 6-9,000 left Treblinka then upped it to 18-20,000 and now has reduced it back to 6-9,000. Link to and quote me upping the figures to 18-20,0000. You cannot, because I have never said that was the evidenced number who left the camp. You are creating yet another one of your dishonest deceptions. It is because the evidence is of selections for workers. The labour camps had prisoner transports, either sent, received or both, as workers were moved about as required. That did not turn a labour camp into a transit camp. Such transports do not turn the AR camps into transit camps. The witnesses describe being transported south or west to labour camps, primarily Majdanek, in Poland, where they went on to work, which is different from denier arguments that the AR camps were for transports to resettle Jews in the east. Documents and witnesses. Both exists to evidence transports from ghettos to camps and between camps, as the Nazis tracked the Jews who they had registered and imprisoned. That there are no records or witnesses to some c2.5 million people, supposedly not gassed at the AR camps, Chelmno or the A-B Kremas, leaving those places and where so many were accommodated, is exceptional. Documents and witnesses survived for all other transports. It would be physically impossible to have so many people in accommodation in Sept 1944, which is when the last gassings took place, without there being any evidence of that. You repeatedly dodge the impossibility of your claim. No, they are examples of emotive descriptives, not to be taken literally. The nailing of ears to the wall sounds like a figure of speech akin to "boxing someone's ears" and the burning blood claim is to convey the horror and amazement of seeing a mass pyre.
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 27, 2022 13:21:40 GMT
Nessie stamps his feet and shrieks, "I didn't say that! I didn't". Piss off, Nessie, you said it.
Nessie then resorts to gibberish to explain why deportees leaving Treblinka isn't evidence that it was a transit camp. Then more gibberish about Jews leaving ghettos. Nothing about Jews leaving Treblinka.
IOW, the tales of the alleged survivors are lies. So it goes in holyhoax la-la land.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 27, 2022 13:36:21 GMT
Nessie stamps his feet and shrieks, "I didn't say that! I didn't". Piss off, Nessie, you said it. Link to and quote me. You know that have consistently stuck to the 6-9,000 number of people transported. People being transported between labour camps, does not make those camps transit camps. Transports of workers do not make the AR camps transit camps. Transit camps are places such as Westerbork and Drancy, where people were gathered to then be sent, on mass transports elsewhere. www.hmd.org.uk/learn-about-the-holocaust-and-genocides/the-holocaust/the-camps/transit-camps/"In occupied Poland most Jews were forced into ghettos. In other parts of occupied Europe, Jews were marshalled into transit camps, ahead of their deportation to occupied Poland." The transit camps were in western Europe, where Jews were interred, prior to transportation to Poland, to work or be gassed. The AR camps at TII, Belzec and Sobibor, were where Jews were gassed, the last of their property stolen and a few were selected to go to labour camps. What you call gibberish is evidenced history and since it does not suit your unevidenced narrative, you try to dismiss it.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 27, 2022 13:37:23 GMT
Look what Turnagain dodged
Documents and witnesses evidence transports from ghettos to camps and between camps, as the Nazis tracked the Jews who they had registered and imprisoned. That there are no records or witnesses to some c2.5 million people, supposedly not gassed at the AR camps, Chelmno or the A-B Kremas, leaving those places and where so many were accommodated, is exceptional. Documents and witnesses survived for all other transports.
It would be physically impossible to have so many people in accommodation in Sept 1944, which is when the last gassings took place, without there being any evidence of that. You repeatedly dodge the impossibility of your claim.
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 27, 2022 14:08:27 GMT
Look what Nessie dodged. He dodged saying that some 18,000 left Treblinka just for openers. Then we have his assumption that there were functional gas chambers at Treblinka, that Jews were first buried in giant graves and then exhumed whole with draglines and then cremated on the magic Jew barbeque that essentially required no fuel for a complete cremation. The carbonized bones were then crushed into granules with clubs, the cremains sifted for larger pieces and then beaten again. They were then thrown into the 30-40 feet deep pits. Neither does he have any reasonable means of digging the graves.
That's what's claimed by the alleged witnesses and Nessie then tries to excuse their lies with his laundry list of excuses, "what ifs" and "coulda woulda". That doesn't even begin to address the myriad stories of mistreatment of the witnesses by the eeevul Germans. Nessie and his hoaxers are full of more shit than a Christmas goose.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 27, 2022 15:15:57 GMT
Look what Nessie dodged. He dodged saying that some 18,000 left Treblinka just for openers. It was not that many. It was 6-9000. The gas chambers are evidenced. Your claim there were no gas chambers and some other process took place inside TII is unevidenced. Mass graves and pyres are evidenced. We do not know the full details. I can point to evidence of what happened. You cannot. Look what you dodged; Documents and witnesses evidence transports from ghettos to camps and between camps, as the Nazis tracked the Jews who they had registered and imprisoned. That there are no records or witnesses to some c2.5 million people, supposedly not gassed at the AR camps, Chelmno or the A-B Kremas, leaving those places and where so many were accommodated, is exceptional. Documents and witnesses survived for all other transports. It would be physically impossible to have so many people in accommodation in Sept 1944, which is when the last gassings took place, without there being any evidence of that. You repeatedly dodge the impossibility of your claim.
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 27, 2022 16:17:49 GMT
Well, once again we are honored to read Nessie's endless line of claptrap. He has "evidence". Uh-huh, a handful of unidentified bone shards. Some "disturbed ground" and his usual laundry list of "what ifs" etc. As many as 900,000 cadavers got completely cremated with twigs and brush. At least the Germans said "wood". So it goes in holyhoax la-la land.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 27, 2022 17:16:32 GMT
Well, once again we are honored to read Nessie's endless line of claptrap. He has "evidence". Uh-huh, a handful of unidentified bone shards. Some "disturbed ground" and his usual laundry list of "what ifs" etc. As many as 900,000 cadavers got completely cremated with twigs and brush. At least the Germans said "wood". So it goes in holyhoax la-la land. Misrepresenting the amount of evidence I have to prove my claims, whilst ignoring that your claims are not evidenced and are physically impossible to do, without leaving any evidence, is very dishonest of you.
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 28, 2022 6:08:19 GMT
Uh-huh, some "what ifs", "coulda woulda", some tiny unidentified bone shards, some "disturbed ground" and the rest of the excuses for the lies of the witnesses and Bob's your uncle.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 28, 2022 12:46:48 GMT
Uh-huh, some "what ifs", "coulda woulda", some tiny unidentified bone shards, some "disturbed ground" and the rest of the excuses for the lies of the witnesses and Bob's your uncle. What if the Nazis could not work out how to build a gas chamber? What if they could not figure out how to dig large pits? What if they could not find the equipment to move the spoil? The way you bang on, it is remarkable that the Nazis could dress themselves in the morning.
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