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Post by Turnagain on Jan 26, 2022 9:07:32 GMT
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You have claims that the hermetically sealed gas chambers were built. There is no evidence of such structures. No, CS-C found some tiles and and evidence of a building and declared them to have been part of a gas chamber. There is no way to determine that. It could have been the "sanitizing" structure that was spoken of by at least two witnesses.
The witnesses who claimed to have seen the hermetically sealed gas chamber are lying. So are the witnesses who claimed to have seen a vacuum chamber. That is a demonstrable fact. They are fantasizing an impossibility. Pressure considerations define the impossibility not what I personally believe or disbelieve.
It wasn't possible for the draglines from T-I to dig the pits as described by the alleged eyewitnesses. That was a physically impossibility. Neither was it possible to transport the ex to an alternate location and then return it to Treblinka. That is due to physical limitations not my "beliefs" or "disbelief".
Nope, such cremations aren't physically possible. Again, it has nothing to do with my faith. I have simply taken what the witnesses have stated, compared it to known physical facts and judged them to either be mistaken or lying. In any event, they weren't telling the truth. Whether they were honestly mistaken or not is irrelevant. Neither are all of your "what ifs" or "coulda wouldas" relevant.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 26, 2022 9:22:11 GMT
Nessie wrote: You have claims that the hermetically sealed gas chambers were built. There is no evidence of such structures. No, CS-C found some tiles and and evidence of a building and declared them to have been part of a gas chamber. There is no way to determine that. It could have been the "sanitizing" structure that was spoken of by at least two witnesses. You claim no evidence and then immediately admit there is evidence. Your constant dishonest suggestion of no evidence is discussed in another thread rodoh.freeforums.net/thread/255/claims-suggestions-evidenceQuote the witness who said he saw a vacuum chamber in action. You are assuming that the Germans did not think, or know to fit a pressure valve somewhere in the system of pipes and chambers. It wasn't possible for the draglines from T-I to dig the pits as described by the alleged eyewitnesses. That was a physically impossibility. Neither was it possible to transport the ex to an alternate location and then return it to Treblinka. That is due to physical limitations not my "beliefs" or "disbelief".[/quote] You cannot reliably determine physical possibility from witness descriptions that do not even mention what type of excavator was used. Your claim that the Germans had no equipment to move large quantities of earth, at a camp next to a quarry, where large quantities of earth was being moved on a daily basis, is drivel. Your admission that they are mistaken means you understand that your argument it was physically impossible is wrong. Mass cremations are physically possible and witness descriptions are not a credible method for determining physical possibility, due to their mistakes. Fact is what was claimed was well within known German engineering and construction capabilities. |
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 26, 2022 9:43:12 GMT
We have the testimony/statements from the alleged eyewitnesses espousing the holyhoax. Was it physically possible? Nope, it wasn't. Were the witnesses either lying or mistaken? Yep, they were.
Then we have Nessie's barrage of "what ifs" and "coulda, wouldas". Are those facts? Nope, they for damn sure aren't. Does Nessie devolve into gibberish after that? Yep, he for damn sure does.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 26, 2022 10:04:41 GMT
We have the testimony/statements from the alleged eyewitnesses espousing the holyhoax. Was it physically possible? Nope, it wasn't. Yes it was physically possible. It was well within German engineering and construction capabilities to build gas chamber, dig pits and set pyres. That is why you dodge that point. That it is either, or, is why your claim that whether something was physically possible can be reliably determined by witness descriptions is wrong. You have barrage of "what ifs" etc, because there is a lot we do not know about. Your "what if?" the Germans did not think, did not know to include a pressure vent is one of them. |
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 26, 2022 10:11:08 GMT
Nessie can't seem to comprehend that there's a difference between the statements made by the alleged witnesses and the technical capabilities of the Germans. Thermonuclear bombs are possible. Building and testing one in your basement isn't.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 26, 2022 10:18:17 GMT
Nessie can't seem to comprehend that there's a difference between the statements made by the alleged witnesses and the technical capabilities of the Germans. Thermonuclear bombs are possible. Building and testing one in your basement isn't. Building gas chambers at TII, Sobibor and Belzec, modifying vans at Chelmno and modifying Kremas at A-B, were all within their abilities. As was digging huge pits and storing the ex. As was setting pyres or using ovens for mass creations.
Your suggestion that it was beyond their engineering and construction abilities is refuted by the evidence and what else they were able to design and construct.
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Post by Ulios on Jan 26, 2022 10:24:15 GMT
Nessie can't seem to comprehend that there's a difference between the statements made by the alleged witnesses and the technical capabilities of the Germans. Thermonuclear bombs are possible. Building and testing one in your basement isn't. Building gas chambers at TII, Sobibor and Belzec, modifying vans at Chelmno and modifying Kremas at A-B, were all within their abilities. As was digging huge pits and storing the ex. As was setting pyres or using ovens for mass creations.
Your suggestion that it was beyond their engineering and construction abilities is refuted by the evidence and what else they were able to design and construct.
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 26, 2022 10:32:24 GMT
(sigh) Nessie still can't differentiate between what the alleged witnesses claimed the Germans did and what their technical capabilities were.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 26, 2022 10:40:02 GMT
Building gas chambers at TII, Sobibor and Belzec, modifying vans at Chelmno and modifying Kremas at A-B, were all within their abilities. As was digging huge pits and storing the ex. As was setting pyres or using ovens for mass creations.
Your suggestion that it was beyond their engineering and construction abilities is refuted by the evidence and what else they were able to design and construct.
Apart from Sgt Floss who were the brilliant engineers who organized this feat of industrial might?
The Topf & Sons engineers who designed the A-B gas chambers and ovens are named here;
"For the SS in Auschwitz, the engineers Kurt Prรผfer and Karl Schultze were more than official representatives of the suppliers Topf & Sons. They were also the first professionals SS Construction Management turned to when it received complaints from Berlin. The two Topf & Sons employees supplied the SS with advice and assistance on increasing the efficiency of mass murder in the new crematoria."
Details on the engineering of the gas vans and Dr August Beker, Willy Just and Walter Rauff who helped with the design here;
The AR camp gas chambers were constructed by personnel such as Erich Fuchs and Friedel Schwartz;
"Upon our arrival in Belzec, we met Friedel Schwarz and the other SS men, whose names I cannot remember. They supervised the construction of barracks that would serve as a gas chamber."
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Post by Nessie on Jan 26, 2022 10:44:46 GMT
(sigh) Nessie still can't differentiate between what the alleged witnesses claimed the Germans did and what their technical capabilities were. You cannot explain why you are able to credibly and reliably determine physical possibility from the way witnesses describe how something works.
You pretend that if a witness describes something in a way that would not work, therefore it cannot have happened. That does not make logical sense.
The claims of modifying Kremas at A-B, of building gas chambers at the AR camps and modifying vans at Chelmno are all technically possible.
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 26, 2022 10:53:27 GMT
Still no comprehension of what the witnesses said and the technical capabilities of the Germans. Just more "what if" the eevul Narzis did this, that or the other. Then they "coulda/woulda" been able to do that. Nessie claims to not be able to be able to differentiate between what the alleged witnesses said they did and the technical capabilities of the Germans. I think he's lying.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 26, 2022 12:41:40 GMT
Still no comprehension of what the witnesses said and the technical capabilities of the Germans. Just more "what if" the eevul Narzis did this, that or the other. Then they "coulda/woulda" been able to do that. Nessie claims to not be able to be able to differentiate between what the alleged witnesses said they did and the technical capabilities of the Germans. I'm think he's lying. The witnesses, such as the Krema engineers, know the technicalities of the design and construction of the gas chambers. Witnesses, such as Jews who are being used a slave labour, under pain of death, to take out dead bodies, will not know the technicalities of the design and construction. Some witnesses, such as the Nazis who ran the engines, knew about the engines, but were not asked until years later and were not asked to describe them in any great detail.
There is no definitive connection between how a witness describes the workings of something and whether or not it happened. Your suggestion that it can be reliably determined if something happened, by how a witness describes the technicalities, is wrong. You are claiming that unless a witness can describe in detail what gun was used and exactly how the gun works, they cannot be truthful about witnessing a shooting.
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 26, 2022 17:10:07 GMT
There are multiple witnesses not just one who claimed that the gas chambers were hermetically sealed. There were multiple witnesses who said that it was a vacuum chamber, that the air was pumped out of the chamber before the CO was let in. There were multiple descriptions of the cremation process. On and on.
You say that the Germans "COULDA" built a proper gas chamber so they did. You say that the cadavers "COULDA" been cremated on a grate "IF" sufficient fuel was available and it was.
Do the other facts claimed by the witnesses ring true? No, the tales of getting their ears nailed to a wall, climbing rickety jungle gyms while the eeevul Narzis took pot shots at them and fantasies about burning blood don't sound truthful at all and those are just a few of the fantasies.
You say that I should just overlook these obvious lies and accept that the Germans were capable of building functional gas chambers and crematories instead of such tales being crude propaganda. You do NOT approach the holyhoax as a person who seeks the truth. Not at all.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 26, 2022 17:49:57 GMT
There are multiple witnesses not just one who claimed that the gas chambers were hermetically sealed. There were multiple witnesses who said that it was a vacuum chamber, that the air was pumped out of the chamber before the CO was let in. There were multiple descriptions of the cremation process. On and on. Which means corroborating eyewitness evidence of the process whereby an engine was used and hearsay evidence for the vaccum, so the vacuum claim is wrong. Air being pumped out prior to gas being pumped in is a minor detail. It was physically possible and is evidenced to have happened. Gassings, grave and pyres are physically possible and are evidenced to have happened. You have no evidence of a process inside TII that did not involve gassings. But, because you do not want to believe gassings, you have rationalised the use of a logical fallacy and then you believe in a series of events that are not evidenced to have happened. You ignore that transporting and accommodating so many people without leaving evidence is physically impossible. |
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 26, 2022 18:04:07 GMT
No, I just don't believe the tales of the hermetically sealed gas chamber with a 27 liter engine pumping it's exhaust into it. I don't believe that cadavers can be cremated on a grate with only tiny amounts of kindling for a heat source. No, I don't believe the tales of people getting their ears nailed to a wall and of burning blood. Your claim that was just mistakes or exaggerations and everything that was claimed "coulda" been done by the eeevul Narzis is just your fantasy from holyhoax la-la land. It didn't happen.
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