Post by been_there on Jan 15, 2024 13:38:31 GMT
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Credo quia absurdum (est)
Credo quia absurdum (est)
= "I believe it because it is absurd" =
The above Latin maxim is a paraphrasing by Voltaire of the Christian apologist Tertullian's (155–220 AD) statement: "certum est, quia impossibile" which means "it is certain because it is impossible". Tertullian was arguing for belief in the Christian creeds of God becoming a human via a virgin, and eucharist wafers becoming ‘the body of Christ’.
This type of religious or cultish suspension of plain common sense in order to be a good and righteous ‘believer’ has come to be called ‘Fideism. Fideism or ‘faithism’ argues that faith is superior to, independent of, and even adversarial toward, reason.
This type of religious or cultish suspension of plain common sense in order to be a good and righteous ‘believer’ has come to be called ‘Fideism. Fideism or ‘faithism’ argues that faith is superior to, independent of, and even adversarial toward, reason.
Regarding belief in ‘the holocaust’, similar approaches to Tertullian’s and Fideism are commonplace, and possibly obligatory. Because, as anyone who honestly and intelligently explores the holocaust narrative critically will soon learn, aspects of its core premises defy reason, probability and often physical possibility.
Also, anyone who has attempted to discuss those particular non-credible aspects of the holocaust narrative with a diehard, Holocaust enthusiast will soon learn, reason, logic, empirical science and physical possibility are no match for a holocaust true-believer’s willingness to believe absurdities in order to avoid reality and to maintain their belief.
This is why I argue that ‘the holocaust’ has become more of a secular religion than a genuine historiography, and for the majority of people they have a cult-like belief that to be corrected requires cult exit-counselling and therapy, not facts and information. The reason being that facts and logic are ironically ignored and denied if they undermine the cultish ‘exterminatory mass-gassing’ belief-system.
Example 1
An example of the above is the reaction to the Doctoral thesis of Henri Roques.
Roques demonstrated the internal inconsistencies and discrepancies between the six texts of what is claimed to be the ‘confession of Kurt Gerstein’.
In response the L.I.C.R.A. (Ligue Internationale Contre le Racisme et l'Anti-Sémitisme) and other Jewish groups pressured the French government into illegally cancelling Roques' degree!
In addition Leon Poliakov and Pierre Vidal-Naquet collected the signatures of thirty-two other historians to put their names to a letter printed in a prominent French newspaper which included this religiously-faithful but illogical support of particular holocaust-narrative absurdities:
“It is not necessary to ask oneself how, technically, such a mass murder was possible.
It was possible technically because it took place.
Such is the obligatory point of departure for all historical inquiry on the subject.”
Ref: link
On the 21st of February 1979, the newspaper Le Monde published the above illogical nonsense in a text entitled "The Hitler policy of Extermination: a declaration by historians."
Their letter also included an early example of the appeal to the ‘argument from ignorance’ logical fallacy. A fallacy that in this instance can be shortened to: ‘if they didn’t get gassed where did they go?’
Here is what they wrote:
“Since the end of the Second World War, it has happened on several occasions that publicists, sometimes taking the title of historians, have cast doubt on the veracity of the evidence of the Hitler policy of extermination. This evidence had, in 1945, a glaring obviousness. The great majority of the deportees today are dead.”
I won’t bore regular readers with the refutation of this illogical, defensive posture. There are links here at RODOH devoted to this for anyone interested. What I want to do instead is show how a true-believer mind-set fails to see the irony when these illogical defence mechanisms for avoiding the flaws in the holocaust narrative are presented back to them.
SUMMARY: If anyone critically studies the compulsory holocaust creed and does not detect inconsistencies, contradictions, flaws and fundamental improbabilities regarding its two core premises of i.) Nazi policy of extermination of ALL Jews and ii.) mass-murder of approximately 4 million Jews in homicidal gas chambers, then this implies that they have regrettably not been capable of studying the topic either honestly or logically.
As the following discussions demonstrate:
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Example 2
Mary Q Contrary wrote:
The Soviets said that 4 million people died at Auschwitz, and 1.5 million died at Majdanek. Those Soviet numbers were accepted as true by scholars in the Eastern bloc.
They were accepted as true in popular culture in the West as well.
…Now they say a million or so at Auschwitz and something like 78 thousand at Majdanek. Where did those people go?
Jeffk1970: What does that have to do with anything?
Mary Q Contrary replied: It has everything to do with everything. The Holocaust in the popular culture is the only Holocaust that matters.
Nobody cares about what a few 'scholars' in the west were saying. So where did those people go?
Jeffk1970: Nobody cares? That's interesting.
Mary Q Contrary replied: The vast majority of people learn more about the Holocaust from Steven Spielberg than Raul Hilberg. So, no, nobody cares about what a few "scholars" are saying because nobody even knows they're saying it.
Jeffk1970: I'm not sure where you are going with this. Are you saying that 4 million people died at Auschwitz, 1.5 million died at Majdanek? [B-T: 😮🤦♂️]
Mary Q Contrary: No, I'm asking you that if these people didn't die at Auschwtiz and Madjanek, where did they go?
The Soviets said that 4 million people died at Auschwitz, and 1.5 million died at Majdanek. Those Soviet numbers were accepted as true by scholars in the Eastern bloc.
They were accepted as true in popular culture in the West as well.
…Now they say a million or so at Auschwitz and something like 78 thousand at Majdanek. Where did those people go?
Jeffk1970: What does that have to do with anything?
Mary Q Contrary replied: It has everything to do with everything. The Holocaust in the popular culture is the only Holocaust that matters.
Nobody cares about what a few 'scholars' in the west were saying. So where did those people go?
Jeffk1970: Nobody cares? That's interesting.
Mary Q Contrary replied: The vast majority of people learn more about the Holocaust from Steven Spielberg than Raul Hilberg. So, no, nobody cares about what a few "scholars" are saying because nobody even knows they're saying it.
Jeffk1970: I'm not sure where you are going with this. Are you saying that 4 million people died at Auschwitz, 1.5 million died at Majdanek? [B-T: 😮🤦♂️]
Mary Q Contrary: No, I'm asking you that if these people didn't die at Auschwtiz and Madjanek, where did they go?
Example 3
Jeffk1970: If the Holocaust [mass-gassing-of-millions allegation] was in fact, a hoax, I started thinking about how you could pull something like this off?
The magnitude of trying something like this surprised me.
You see, most Holocaustdeniers [revisionists] look at bits and pieces, not at the whole.
Mary Q Contrary replied: Because only bit and pieces of the narrative are wrong. We've already looked at the whole and we believe the parts that are supported by evidence and reject those that are not.
Your problem seems to be that we dismiss things for which the evidence is weak but we accept those things for which the evidence is persuasive. We understand the difference between "some of it didn't happen" and "it didn't happen".
Jeffk1970: [to] came back to my original thought. How could something like the Holocaust be faked?
Mary Q Contrary replied: Easy. All it requires is people who are willing to lie about their enemies
Jeffk1970: Easy? So, this hoax managed to survive 71 years of shifting political landscapes, the Cold War, different administrations, the rise and fall of Communism?
Mary Q Contrary replied: Let me try answering another way: ‘We should not ask ourselves how such a hoax is possible. It's possible because it happened’.
🙂
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The magnitude of trying something like this surprised me.
You see, most Holocaust
Mary Q Contrary replied: Because only bit and pieces of the narrative are wrong. We've already looked at the whole and we believe the parts that are supported by evidence and reject those that are not.
Your problem seems to be that we dismiss things for which the evidence is weak but we accept those things for which the evidence is persuasive. We understand the difference between "some of it didn't happen" and "it didn't happen".
Jeffk1970: [to] came back to my original thought. How could something like the Holocaust be faked?
Mary Q Contrary replied: Easy. All it requires is people who are willing to lie about their enemies
Jeffk1970: Easy? So, this hoax managed to survive 71 years of shifting political landscapes, the Cold War, different administrations, the rise and fall of Communism?
Mary Q Contrary replied: Let me try answering another way: ‘We should not ask ourselves how such a hoax is possible. It's possible because it happened’.
🙂
skepticforum.mu.nu/viewtopic.php?p=531684&sid=32e3adaf98d9de511c5136e2ff6a7fa7#p531684