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Post by ๐๐จ๐๐๐ซ๐๐ญ๐จ๐ซ on Nov 8, 2021 9:19:08 GMT
Thank you for this information Nessie; it will take some time to read, reflect and correlate. No one on this forum is claiming TII was a transit camp so there is no need to repeat this. However, all camps have people coming and going and can act as a transit facility when and where required. There are issues with the integrity of the Polish Commission. Poland a communist country a vassal of Moscow and the Extraordinary Commission but all information is worthy. No doubt certain points will be raised in the future for clarification and your opinion. |
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Post by ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ข๐ on Nov 8, 2021 9:30:19 GMT
There have been multiple claims by revisionists that TII was a transit camp. Turnagain wholeheartedly backs Eric Hunt's claims of TII as a transit camp, despite Hunt admitting he was wrong! There is also widespread revisionist support for Mattogno, Kues and Graf's claims TII was a transit camp.
The initial 1944-5 Polish Commission had nothing to do with the Soviets and everything to do with the Polish Government that was in exile during the war, which unsuccessfully tried to re-establish itself after the war. The Poles did not trust the Soviets to gather evidence of atrocities against Poles to be presented at the Nuremberg trials. The majority of Jews killed at the AR camps were Polish and the Poles were concerned that Polish deaths would be subsumed by the Soviets into Soviet war deaths, as the Soviets tried to portray themselves as the greatest victims of Nazism, not the Jews.
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Post by ๐๐จ๐๐๐ซ๐๐ญ๐จ๐ซ on Nov 8, 2021 9:52:56 GMT
There have been multiple claims by revisionists that TII was a transit camp. Turnagain wholeheartedly backs Eric Hunt's claims of TII as a transit camp, despite Hunt admitting he was wrong! There is also widespread revisionist support for Mattogno, Kues and Graf's claims TII was a transit camp. The initial 1944-5 Polish Commission had nothing to do with the Soviets and everything to do with the Polish Government that was in exile during the war, which unsuccessfully tried to re-establish itself after the war. The Poles did not trust the Soviets to gather evidence of atrocities against Poles to be presented at the Nuremberg trials. The majority of Jews killed at the AR camps were Polish and the Poles were concerned that Polish deaths would be subsumed by the Soviets into Soviet war deaths, as the Soviets tried to portray themselves as the greatest victims of Nazism, not the Jews. It has been suggested this was a transit camp, but a hunch really. Turnagain may well back the transit claim but there is much information to suggest people simply bypassed Treblinka II. Think of the Warsaw boys who were sent to Bobruysk via either Brest or Malikinia (there are only two ways); the people returning from Bialystok also bypassed this facility on both tracks. Like other Eastern Bloc countries (East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria and Albania), Poland was regarded as a satellite state in the Soviet sphere of interest, but it was never a part of the Soviet Union. It was a vassal of Moscow. |
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Post by ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ข๐ on Nov 8, 2021 11:38:50 GMT
This thread is about the camps at Treblinka, so discussing those who did not go there, is off topic. It is acknowledged TI was a labour camp for the quarry next to it. TII is widely claimed to have been a transit camp, by those who dispute it was a death camp.
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Post by Tribunus Laticlavius on Nov 9, 2021 9:24:55 GMT
This thread is about the camps at Treblinka, so discussing those who did not go there, is off topic. It is acknowledged TI was a labour camp for the quarry next to it. TII is widely claimed to have been a transit camp, by those who dispute it was a death camp. As many people did not enter this camp as claimed, it is of profound importance; the claims made are in reality false history . The term "death camp" is just hyperbole, no more and no less than millions of school kids world wide calling the school dental clinic a "murder house". |
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Post by ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ข๐ on Nov 9, 2021 19:16:24 GMT
Treblinka II is commonly called a death camp, due to the evidence from inside the camp, that it was to gas people as part of AR.
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Post by Agandaur on Nov 9, 2021 19:33:17 GMT
Treblinka II is commonly called a death camp, due to the evidence from inside the camp, that it was to gas people as part of AR. I was reading somewhere on here before joining that there was a Baltic State death camp called 'Todeslager fรผr Juden' (death camp for Jews), just like Treblinka was called. I found this: JewGen.orgThere are other ones as well in other places. Perhaps the Treblinka people were sent to Latvia to be exterminated? |
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Post by ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ข๐ on Nov 9, 2021 19:53:16 GMT
There is no evidence of transports from TII to Latvia. There is evidence of a few transports from TII to Budzyn, Poniatowa and Majdanek camps, which were south or west of TII and also in Poland.
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Post by Tribunus Laticlavius on Nov 9, 2021 20:35:49 GMT
There is no evidence of transports from TII to Latvia. There is evidence of a few transports from TII to Budzyn, Poniatowa and Majdanek camps, which were south or west of TII and also in Poland. Perhaps you should read more threads than the ones you are on. A post was made on that point, that the partisans had killed half a million Germans, destroyed umpteen bridges and stations, hundreds of miles of tracks and telegraph poles. No doubt they were trucked or walked as the newspaper articles mentioned. They got there to work in the Kaiserwald camps; those who did not were incarcerated in one of the 250 or so camps in Belarus. This is NOT resettlement by any stretch of the imagination. |
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Post by Ulios on Nov 10, 2021 3:58:49 GMT
The initial 1944-5 Polish Commission had nothing to do with the Soviets and everything to do with the Polish Government that was in exile during the war, which unsuccessfully tried to re-establish itself after the war. says: About this person life Krakow wiki says: I seriously fail to see how Nessie thinks that the Polish Special Commission had everything to do with the Polish Govt in exile. Perhaps Nessie may like to retract the statement he has made as an apparent fact?.
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Post by ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ข๐ on Nov 10, 2021 15:15:07 GMT
It was Judge Zdzislaw Lukaszkiewicz who conducted the Polish site examination and interview of witnesses for TII in 1945. Whether that came under the "Chief Commission for the Prosecution of Crimes against the Polish Nation" from the wiki link you provide, or the "Main Commission for the Investigation of Nazi Crimes in Poland" which is shown in Lukaszliewicz's Wiki entry en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zdzis%C5%82aw_%C5%81ukaszkiewiczor as Mattogno states in his book on TII www.vho.org/GB/Books/t/4.html"But the preparations for the Nuremberg Trial awakened the interest of the Jewish Central Historical Commission as well as of the Polish State Prosecutor's office for that camp. On November 6, 1945, the latter carried out an inspection trip to Treblinka..." A check of chronology finds the Polish Govt in Exile had in effect ceased by July 1945, with a Polish Provisional Government of Unity functioning from June 1945. The camp examination took place in Nov 1945, so yes, the camp investigation was not due to the Govt in Exile. However, it was also not due entirely due to Communist lead Commission to investigate war crimes, as there was also interest by surviving Polish Jews and the Polish prosecution service. |
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Post by Agandaur on Nov 10, 2021 17:14:23 GMT
However, it was also not due entirely due to Communist lead Commission to investigate war crimes, as there was also interest by surviving Polish Jews and the Polish prosecution service. Poland immediately after the war had a provisional government called the Tymczasowy Rzฤ
d Jednoลci Narodowej - TRJN (Provisional Government of National Unity). This was a "Puppet Government" formed by the Yalta Conference. This government was communist controlled. Developments ensured that it would remain a puppet state under the Soviet Sphere of Influence (aka a vassal of Moscow). Here is a plan of Treblinka drawn in 1945 by T Trautsolt a surveyor; the rubber stamp of the Polish Commission and signed by Lukaszkiewicz. However that said they did challenge the Soviet Extraordinary Commission regarding their over inflated death numbers at Majdanek.  |
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Post by ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ข๐ on Nov 11, 2021 10:08:11 GMT
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Post by mrolonzo on Nov 11, 2021 11:14:43 GMT
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Post by ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ข๐ on Nov 11, 2021 13:33:55 GMT
C S-C is referring to the cover up that took place at the AR camps. When someone does as much as they can to destroy evidence, it can be inferred they are trying to cover up a crime. That is why the Nazis actions at the AR camps, which had been largely razed to the ground and planted over, and made to look like they had been farmed, but buildings were left for guards to keep people away, is part of the evidence of mass murder. Globocnik reported to Himmler in 1944 on AR and stated www.holocaustresearchproject.org/economics/arbalancesheet.html" For reasons of surveillance in each camp a small farm was created which is occupied by an expert. An income must regularly be paid to him so that he can maintain the small farm." Those guards fled when the Soviets arrived and that was when the grave robbing started. |
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