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Post by Turnagain on Feb 3, 2022 16:24:55 GMT
Nessie wails, "Where did they gooooooo?". Nessie has no evidence of hermetically sealed gas chambers that use the exhaust from a captured Soviet tank as the lethal agent. No means of digging the graves and no way and no where to put the ex. Exhuming the cadavers with a clamshell is a bust and his magic Jew barbeque is an impossibility but on and on he wails, "Where did they gooooooo?". It's his mantra that he uses to cover up the fact that all of his "what ifs" and "coulda woulda" are just fantasies. So it goes in holyhoax la-la land.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 3, 2022 16:46:53 GMT
Turnagain is trying to go off topic. The issue of what happened to the c2.5 million people revisionists claim were not gassed has been attempted by some revisionists, most notably Thomas Kues codoh.com/library/series/evidence-for-the-presence-of-gassed-jews-in-the-1/en/Kues concludes Part 3 by stating "In conclusion to this survey it will suffice to observe that the notion of the deportations to the โEastโ being a cover for systematic mass murder did not really establish itself until 1943. The allegation that a majority of the deported Jews was murdered in โdeath campsโ would gain credence only following that, in late 1943 and 1944 โ although mass murders in Treblinka were reported by the JTA on 25 November 1942, a longer piece on Cheลmno appeared in the issue of 2 August 1942 and the claim of 700,000 massacred Polish Jews was dutifully reported on 26 June 1942. Even by 1944, however, there still appeared reports indicating that French, Dutch and Belgian Jews had been deported to camps and ghettos in the Occupied Eastern Territories. To be continued." IOW, he found no evidence of the resettlement of Jews from the AR camps or Birkenau in the east and he said he would continue his research. That was in December 2011 and he has not come back with anything.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 3, 2022 17:06:52 GMT
Kues also said that proving where the Jews went wasn't necessary but was looking into it out of curiosity.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 3, 2022 17:11:51 GMT
Kues also said that proving where the Jews went wasn't necessary but was looking into it out of curiosity. Kues stated "On the other hand, from a scientific viewpoint the question posed by the exterminationists is also fully valid..." and "Searching for the โgassedโ Jews constitutes part of a new, constructive aspect to the revisionist critique"
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 3, 2022 17:19:02 GMT
Which means that looking for the Jews is valid but not necessary.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 3, 2022 18:26:18 GMT
Which means that looking for the Jews is valid but not necessary. Kues argues;
"One might argue that the revisionists have no obligation to answer this question. From a moral standpoint this argument is fully valid".
That is wrong. From a moral standpoint, finding what did happen if people were not gassed is essential, as anyone who has lost someone important to them, whether they died or went missing, they want to know what happened. It is also important from the moral standpoint of, it is a serious accusation and finding out what did happen is politically and historically very important.
He then tries to give his argument a legal basis;
"Moreover, since the revisionists have proven that the crime โ i.e. the mass gassings โ did not take place, they have no moral obligation to search for the missing, alleged victim of the fictional crime."
That is not how it works in reality, because in a missing persons case, if someone is accused of killing the kissing person and is found not guilty, the search for that person continues as the police have a duty to look for and find missing persons. He then goes on and states;
"On the other hand, from a scientific viewpoint the question posed by the exterminationists is also fully valid..."
That is an odd way to accept wanting to know what happened in the past is valid, since it is a historical, not scientific question. From a historical viewpoint, it is essential to know what did happen. That is also the case from a political viewpoint, because if the Holocaust was faked and there were no gassings, the political ramifications are huge.
Kues's excuses for not really having to establish what happened instead of gassings are baseless and he is clearly trying to get in his excuses early, for his subsequent failure to find out what happened instead.
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Post by Ulios on Feb 3, 2022 18:36:10 GMT
Kues's excuses for not really having to establish what happened instead of gassings are baseless and he is clearly trying to get in his excuses early, for his subsequent failure to find out what happened instead. This thread is not about gassing but to find out what happened. leave the gassing arguments etc to another thread on your own space perhaps.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 3, 2022 18:37:33 GMT
You might want to know, "Where did they gooooo?" but I, from a historical or moral standpoint, don't give a shit. The Jews weren't murdered at Treblinka, there wasn't any holyhoax, end of story.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 3, 2022 18:39:09 GMT
Kues's excuses for not really having to establish what happened instead of gassings are baseless and he is clearly trying to get in his excuses early, for his subsequent failure to find out what happened instead. This thread is not about gassing but to find out what happened. leave the gassing arguments etc to another thread on your own space perhaps. I am merely making reference to Kues three part article "Evidence for the Presence of โGassedโ Jews in the Occupied Eastern Territories"
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Post by Ulios on Feb 3, 2022 18:39:50 GMT
If c2.5 million Jews had not been gassed 1941-4, then even with a 50% mortality due to the war, that would mean the Allies should have liberated c1.25 million Jews. Instead, they liberated a few hundred thousand at most. People were given a choice to go on the forced marches, most who stayed behind simply walked out. The victims were caught up in a conflagration between two powerful armies hell bent on total destruction so the collatoral damage was high.
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Post by Ulios on Feb 3, 2022 18:40:50 GMT
This thread is not about gassing but to find out what happened. leave the gassing arguments etc to another thread on your own space perhaps. I am merely making reference to Kues three part article "Evidence for the Presence of โGassedโ Jews in the Occupied Eastern Territories" Reading other threads here you constantly talk about gassing. In the gassing threads you ask "where did they go". Discuss this and only this.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 3, 2022 19:28:57 GMT
...People were given a choice to go on the forced marches... Please evidence that claim. You have dodged that even at 50% death rate, there should have been 1.25 million Jews liberated in 1945.
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Feb 3, 2022 19:45:59 GMT
You have dodged that even at 50% death rate, there should have been 1.25 million Jews liberated in 1945. The story and photos of Belsen would indicate the death rate was about 95%
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Post by Nessie on Feb 3, 2022 19:53:43 GMT
You have dodged that even at 50% death rate, there should have been 1.25 million Jews liberated in 1945. The story and photos of Belsen would indicate the death rate was about 95% Out of c120,000 people sent to B-B, c50,000 died, so a death rate of 41%.
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Feb 3, 2022 20:28:48 GMT
Out of c120,000 people sent to B-B, c50,000 died, so a death rate of 41%. Please read carefully and understand. It was towards the end of the war that the death rate rose to abysmal levels due to war deprivations; this is on top of the already high mortality rate. There were however, 29 thousand survivors hospitalized; not all of these deaths were Jews. The existence of muselmann, people almost dead due to a combination of exhaustion and poor nutrition; no doubt most if not all of these living corpses were "aktioned" (14f13); the reasons for these creatures are complex but often due to theft of food from other prisoners. Mr Lantos, perished in Buchenwald due to his selling his food for cigarettes. Typhus, cholera and measles along with a plethora of other diseases took their toll. I wonder how many people could survive living in a carboard shelter in an Estonian harsh winter with only a candle for warmth. These atrocious conditions were largely brought about by indifference, callousness and also war time deprivations. Most of the deaths occurred at the closing of the conflict. The number of survivors of camps is deliberately reduced by the Soviets who kept a huge swath of these people for their own purposes in another wave of mass deportations post war. The system of forced settlements in the Soviet Union were planned in accordance with the needs of the colonization of the remote and underpopulated territories of the Soviet Union.
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