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Post by Nessie on Feb 2, 2022 17:00:29 GMT
Were some of the 1.8 million Jews who reports state came from Poland, possibly some of the more than 3 million โmissingโ Polish Jews that the โ holyco$tโ industry claims were murdered during World War Two? Yes or no? Again, no. I explained why that is in the post that got moved, when I said "The Jewish population of Poland in 1939 was c3.4 million, so the c400,000 is made of those who escaped to the Soviets and those who survived Nazi imprisonment. I linked to the USHMM figure of c300,000 Polish Jews fled and spent the war under Soviet control." Moving that post was wrong.
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Post by blake121666 on Feb 2, 2022 19:19:36 GMT
As an interesting side note: the 1.8 million there corresponds pretty well with the Korherr Report's conclusion that by the end of '42, European Jewry was reduced by about 4 million Jews - 1/2 emigrated and half dead. 1/2 of 4 million is 2 million of course - which is close to 1.8 million.
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Post by Ulios on Feb 2, 2022 19:26:42 GMT
While Soviet authorities deported tens of thousands of Jews to Siberia, central Asia, and other remote areas in the interior of the Soviet Union, most of them managed to survive. Once again the poster has shown a loss of reality with little or no research done. Just typically replies pretending to know something he does not. Most did not manage to survive, the death toll was huge.
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Post by Ulios on Feb 2, 2022 19:27:42 GMT
As an interesting side note: the 1.8 million there corresponds pretty well with the Korherr Report's conclusion that by the end of '42, European Jewry was reduced by about 4 million Jews - 1/2 emigrated and half dead. 1/2 of 4 million is 2 million of course - which is close to 1.8 million. Natural mortality would account for that number over that time period; there was virtually no birth rate.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 2, 2022 19:37:17 GMT
While Soviet authorities deported tens of thousands of Jews to Siberia, central Asia, and other remote areas in the interior of the Soviet Union, most of them managed to survive. You have misattributed that quote, it is from USHMM, which I then quoted. Out of the "800,000 up to 1,500,000" you quote, how many were Jews? The list of groups does not include any Jews. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer_in_the_Soviet_Union#Death_toll
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Post by Ulios on Feb 2, 2022 19:49:22 GMT
Out of the "800,000 up to 1,500,000" you quote, how many were Jews? The list of groups does not include any Jews. The Soviets apparently did not classify their deportees. You can do your own research on the number of jews; some of us are more concerned about all the people not just a group of them. However, Jews made up about 40% of the population on average in those Eastern areas; this will vary depending on exact location, but Alexander Solzhenitsyn estimates 800,000 Jews perished in those transports. It is interesting to note that in the old forum the Jews deported from Belarus and the Baltic states were not classed as European Jews so don't count. Yet when it comes to the "Holocaust by Bullets" these Russian Jews become all important to show the crimes of the nazis.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 2, 2022 19:58:38 GMT
Out of the "800,000 up to 1,500,000" you quote, how many were Jews? The list of groups does not include any Jews. The Soviets apparently did not classify their deportees. You can do your own research on the number of jews; some of us are more concerned about all the people not just a group of them. However, Jews made up about 40% of the population on average in those Eastern areas; this will vary depending on exact location, but Alexander Solzhenitsyn estimates 800,000 Jews perished in those transports. It is interesting to note that in the old forum the Jews deported from Belarus and the Baltic states were not classed as European Jews so don't count. Yet when it comes to the "Holocaust by Bullets" these Russian Jews become all important to show the crimes of the nazis. From the same source, "During 1939โ1941, 1.45 million people inhabiting the region were deported by the Soviet regime. According to Polish historians, 63.1% of these people were Poles and 7.4% were Jews". That tallies with USHMM, "Between 1939 and 1941 nearly 300,000 Polish Jews, almost 10 percent of the Polish Jewish population, fled German-occupied areas of Poland and crossed into the Soviet zone". Only a few hundred thousand Jews escaped the Nazis into Soviet control.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 2, 2022 21:37:21 GMT
Essentially Nessie is saying, "I don't know where the Jews went so that proves that they were murdered in the AR camps". Yeah, suuuuuure it does.
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Feb 2, 2022 22:17:37 GMT
Essentially Nessie is saying, "I don't know where the Jews went so that proves that they were murdered in the AR camps". Yeah, suuuuuure it does. What is also missing is the total lack of understanding of natural mortality. The Philippines has a high natural mortality rate of 23%; no one suggesting these people are holocausted. Ulios worked on slightly different data; this current data is higher than his.(23% pa). With a starting population in the Philippines of 9 million one would expect 2.1 million to perish each year; this is balanced by the birth rate. After 5 years at this rate of natural attrition there would be only 2.5 million left of the original population of 16-60 year olds. This is a loss of 6.5 million souls and no holocaust needed. If the Jewish mortality was similar there is no need for mass executions, the population must decline by a similar amount; there are insignificant new births to make up for the losses. If the mortality was half of the Philippines it would still be a significant loss.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 3, 2022 11:04:32 GMT
Essentially Nessie is saying, "I don't know where the Jews went so that proves that they were murdered in the AR camps". Yeah, suuuuuure it does. Yet again you are misrepresenting my actual argument, because you cannot cope with my actual argument.
What you are saying is that because you do not believe the evidence they were murdered, therefore they were resettled, even though there is no evidence of that happening.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 3, 2022 11:07:20 GMT
Essentially Nessie is saying, "I don't know where the Jews went so that proves that they were murdered in the AR camps". Yeah, suuuuuure it does. What is also missing is the total lack of understanding of natural mortality. The Philippines has a high natural mortality rate of 23%; no one suggesting these people are holocausted. Ulios worked on slightly different data; this current data is higher than his.(23% pa). With a starting population in the Philippines of 9 million one would expect 2.1 million to perish each year; this is balanced by the birth rate. After 5 years at this rate of natural attrition there would be only 2.5 million left of the original population of 16-60 year olds. This is a loss of 6.5 million souls and no holocaust needed. If the Jewish mortality was similar there is no need for mass executions, the population must decline by a similar amount; there are insignificant new births to make up for the losses. If the mortality was half of the Philippines it would still be a significant loss. If c2.5 million Jews had not been gassed 1941-4, then even with a 50% mortality due to the war, that would mean the Allies should have liberated c1.25 million Jews. Instead, they liberated a few hundred thousand at most.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 3, 2022 11:17:01 GMT
Actually, I really don't care where the Jews went. The only real question is, "Were they or weren't they murdered at Treblinka". They weren't so, end of story. You've been told that about a gazillion times so why do you keep wailing, "Where did they gooooooo"?
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Post by Nessie on Feb 3, 2022 11:25:08 GMT
Actually, I really don't care where the Jews went. The only real question is, "Were they or weren't they murdered at Treblinka". They weren't so, end of story. You've been told that about a gazillion times so why do you keep wailing, "Where did they gooooooo"? Logic and evidencing have never been your strong point. If you understood both, you would be able to see just how idiotic your claim that they were not killed, and it does not matter what did happen, is. You prove that Holocaust denial/revisionism is a closed-minded conspiracy theory that is not interested in facts. Stay out of this thread, since you have nothing to contribute to it.
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Post by Turnagain on Feb 3, 2022 11:55:22 GMT
LOL! Idiotically impossible claims by such as Wiernik and Rajchman along with a few tiny bone chips is the holyhoax la-la land version of logic and evidence. Giddoutahere!
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Post by Nessie on Feb 3, 2022 14:54:18 GMT
LOL! Idiotically impossible claims by such as Wiernik and Rajchman along with a few tiny bone chips is the holyhoax la-la land version of logic and evidence. Giddoutahere! Pretending that is the extent of the evidence is just you fooling yourself. At least some revisionists are honest enough to ask what did happen instead. The problem is that Mattogno, Graff, Kues and others who have searched archives and looked for evidence, have found none. Eric Hunt convinced himself and then admitted he was wrong, due to the lack of evidence. Then others such as Rudolf have not bothered to look and like you, they ignore the elephant in the room.
Until there is evidence to prove regular mass transports back out of the AR camps, Chelmno and Birkenau, then I refuse to believe those places were used to process and transit prisoners. It is normal to not believe what is not evidenced, sufficient to prove what happened.
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