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Post by Nessie on Feb 2, 2022 9:12:46 GMT
Further to the H-believer fall-back question of โwhere did they go?โ, here is a Jewish copy of a Jewish news report from November of 1942 admitting that 40% of Jews in Russia had come from Poland during the war. archive.is/iHeEp. . . . . The โ holocaustโ narrative claims that in 1939 there were approximately 3,474,000 Jews in Poland, (go here for one source stating that figure). Yet here below is a Jewish report from 1943 admitting that 1,800,000 Jews from Poland were โevacuated into the interior of the Soviet Unionโ.... The report you link to does not say that 1.8 million were evacuated from Poland. It states that 1.8 million Jews were saved by evacuation. By the time of the report, the Nazis had occupied all of Poland, the Baltic States, Ukraine and Belorussia. The 1.8 million who fled did not just flee from Poland. |
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Post by Ulios on Feb 2, 2022 9:18:50 GMT
The 1.8 million who fled did not just flee from Poland. This poster is bereft of historical knowledge. The people did not flee, they were arrested and transported. Over a million died. |
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Post by Nessie on Feb 2, 2022 9:23:45 GMT
The 1.8 million who fled did not just flee from Poland. This poster is bereft of historical knowledge. The people did not flee, they were arrested and transported. Over a million died. Flee, evacuated, arrested, which ever it was, been-there is wrong to claim the report said the 1.8 million came from Poland. |
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Post by been_there on Feb 2, 2022 9:38:41 GMT
. . . . . The โ holocaustโ narrative claims that in 1939 there were approximately 3,474,000 Jews in Poland, (go here for one source stating that figure). Yet here below is a Jewish report from 1943 admitting that 1,800,000 Jews from Poland were โevacuated into the interior of the Soviet Unionโ.Which would mean approximately 1,700,000 Polish Jews did not go to Soviet territory. [3,474,000 minus 1,800,000 = 1,674,000] Yet the โholocaustโ narrative also claims that โat least 3,000,000โ Polish Jews were mass-murdered in the โholocaustโ. ๐ค For just one example of that claim see here at the USHMM: โIn addition, the Germans murdered at least 3 million Jewish citizens of Poland.โ
Most sane, honest, rational people who are not in the grip of decades of psychotic, pseudo-historical conditioning should be able to admit that these figures donโt add up. Regretably, such people currently are a small minority. But that number is increasing, despite the threat of being labelled โneo-Nazisโ and/or โanti-semitesโ.  That doesn't say just Polish Jews were evacuated into the Soviet interior - although some were. Ukrainian, White Russian and other Jews were evacuated as well to give the number listed there. I don't recall off the top of my head best estimates... Yes, you are right. I stand corrected. It does not say the 1.8 million Jews evacuated to the Soviet Russian interior were Polish Jews. It doesnโt specify where they came from. It is still interesting as I had never seen a figure for how many Jews were relocated to the Soviet interior. So... The question of โwhere did they goโ IS perhaps partially answered here, as IF Jews were just deprived of their wealth and dumped over the border in Soviet Russian territory, they COULD be partially accounted for in this figure. This seems to me to be a subject matter that โholocaustโ believers and promulgators have deliberately neglected and are avoidant of. In looking through other reports on similar subject matter (all seen on the waybackarchive of the now defunct winstonsmith blog) I saw there was a news report (from I think the 1950s) providing details of how relatives of those 1.8 million Jews could make enquiries and renew contact. Which implies it was a problem for Jews who emigrated to find and contact Jews who were behind the โiron curtainโ. A problem that โthe holocaustโ industry does not recognise or make allowance for As we know, there have been many fairly recent news stories of emotional reunions of Jews in Israel and America with relatives presumed dead and โholcausted/gassed/murderedโ, but who in reality were alive and well in former soviet territories. So this is one possible but ironically โ deniedโ answer for โwhere did they goโ: some of them perhaps went into the Soviet Russian interior. |
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Post by Nessie on Feb 2, 2022 9:50:43 GMT
.... So this is one possible but ironically โ deniedโ answer for โwhere did they goโ: some of them perhaps went into the Soviet Russian interior. No one denies that Jews fled/were evacuated/were arrested and ended up under Soviet control, so they avoided being identified, registered and imprisoned by the Nazis. They are accounted for. The "where did they go?" question does not apply to them. There is evidence as to where they went.
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Post by Ulios on Feb 2, 2022 10:06:55 GMT
There is evidence as to where they went. Not really, you have no idea how many hundreds of thousand if not a million or so died on those Soviet transports. The transports were post war as well; not much known behind the Iron Curtain. A huge proportion of these people were Polish, possibly about 1.4 million. Many Poles still think the Nazis gottem but the reality is the Soviets did. All this was written about extensively in the old forum but ignored for the most part, this poster still worried about draglines and mass graves that never existed. |
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Post by been_there on Feb 2, 2022 10:14:28 GMT
. . . . . The โ holocaustโ narrative claims that in 1939 there were approximately 3,474,000 Jews in Poland, (go here for one source stating that figure). ...the โholocaustโ narrative also claims that more than โ3,000,000โ Polish Jews were mass-murdered in the โholocaustโ. ๐ค For just one example of that claim see here at the USHMM: โIn addition, the Germans murdered at least 3 million Jewish citizens of Poland.โ [link]Yet here below is a Jewish report from 1943 admitting that 1,800,000 Jews from Poland were โevacuated into the interior of the Soviet Unionโ. โโโโโโ ...here is a Jewish copy of a Jewish news report from November of 1942 admitting that 40% of Poles in Russia โ who had come from Poland during the war โ were Jews. Here is another stating that โhundreds of thousands of Jews from Polandโ were living in โmajor cities in the Kazakstan Soviet Republicโ.archive.is/iHeEp...The 1.8 million who fled did not just flee from Poland. So if you concede that the 1.8 million figure includes Jews from Poland, why can you not concede that some of the more than 3 million โmissingโ Polish Jews that the โholyco$tโ industry claims were murdered, could be amongst this 1.8 million number? ๐ค |
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Post by Nessie on Feb 2, 2022 14:49:53 GMT
There is evidence as to where they went. Not really, you have no idea how many hundreds of thousand if not a million or so died on those Soviet transports. The transports were post war as well; not much known behind the Iron Curtain. A huge proportion of these people were Polish, possibly about 1.4 million. Many Poles still think the Nazis gottem but the reality is the Soviets did. All this was written about extensively in the old forum but ignored for the most part, this poster still worried about draglines and mass graves that never existed. There is plenty of evidence and information as to what happened to the Jews who avoided the Nazis by escaping into Soviet controlled territory, for example
"Between 1939 and 1941 nearly 300,000 Polish Jews, almost 10 percent of the Polish Jewish population, fled German-occupied areas of Poland and crossed into the Soviet zone. While Soviet authorities deported tens of thousands of Jews to Siberia, central Asia, and other remote areas in the interior of the Soviet Union, most of them managed to survive. After the German attack on the Soviet Union in June 1941, more than a million Soviet Jews fled eastward into the Asian parts of the country, escaping almost certain death. Despite the harsh conditions of the Soviet interior, those who escaped there constituted the largest group of European Jews to survive the Nazi onslaught."
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Post by Nessie on Feb 2, 2022 15:07:08 GMT
...The 1.8 million who fled did not just flee from Poland. So if you concede that the 1.8 million figure includes Jews from Poland, why can you not concede that some of the more than 3 million โmissingโ Polish Jews that the โholyco$tโ industry claims were murdered, could be amongst this 1.8 million number? ๐ค You use the term "concede", to suggest that I have previously argued something else and now accept that the 1.8 million includes Jews from Poland. In fact, it was you had to concede the point that your original claim about the 1.8 million was wrong. You then suggest that I have previously argued that the 3 million Polish Jews killed during the Holocaust includes some from the 1.8 million. I have not done that.
The evidence is that out of c3.4 million Jews in Poland in 1939, c3 million died during WWII.
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Post by been_there on Feb 2, 2022 15:48:23 GMT
So if you concede that the 1.8 million figure includes Jews from Poland, why can you not concede that some of the more than 3 million โmissingโ Polish Jews that the โholyco$tโ industry claims were murdered, could be amongst this 1.8 million number? ๐ค You use the term "concede", to suggest that I have previously argued something else and now accept that the 1.8 million includes Jews from Poland. In fact, it was you had to concede the point that your original claim about the 1.8 million was wrong. You then suggest that I have previously argued that the 3 million Polish Jews killed during the Holocaust includes some from the 1.8 million. I have not done that.
The evidence is that out of c3.4 million Jews in Poland in 1939, c3 million died during WWII. Oh boy! ๐คฆโโ๏ธYet another quite moronic miscomprehension. I readily and gratefully accepted correction from Blake (currently replying under the โrabbitโ pseudonym). I donโt shy from correction. On the contrary, I welcome it. That is because I have no fixed belief that I need to protect. I am genuinely trying to better understand this period of history. You on the other hand appear to have a cherished โbeliefโ to buttress and protect, as you have avoided mentioning that I also provided other contemporary news reports alluding to โ hundreds of thousandsโ of Polish Jews being in Soviet territory. I shall rephrase the extremely simple question again for you. As perhaps your linguistic difficulty at understanding simple words is the problem, I have replaced โ concededโ with โ admittedโ to try and help you. You just admitted that some of the 1.8 million figure of Jews moved into the Soviet interior had come from Poland. You have also repeatedly suggested that revisionists have no evidence at all of any Jews being โtransitedโ to the โEastโ. But... (focus now) ...if you admit that some of the 1.8 million mentioned came from Poland, why can you not admit that some of the more than 3 million โmissingโ Polish Jews that the โholyco$tโ industry claims were murdered, could be amongst this 1.8 million number? |
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Post by Nessie on Feb 2, 2022 16:40:14 GMT
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Post by been_there on Feb 2, 2022 16:48:04 GMT
What hypocrisy. If this were the Skeptic forum you would have been permanently banned long ago. Whereas here at RODOH you get your own space with moderator priviliges. Yet still you complain. Iโm glad a moderator has removed it. As you dodged a simple question twice. There can be no genuine debate if someone is allowed to dodge direct questions. |
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Post by Nessie on Feb 2, 2022 16:50:09 GMT
What hypocrisy. If this were the Sketicforum you would have been personally banned long ago. Iโm glad a moderator has removed it. As you dodged a simple question twice. There can be no genuine debate if someone is allowed to dodge direct questions. I have not dodged questions, I have answered them. You do not like the answers, so the post gets moved. Stop spoiling the debate. |
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Post by been_there on Feb 2, 2022 16:54:37 GMT
Were some of the 1.8 million Jews who reports state came from Poland,
possibly some of the more than 3 million โmissingโ Polish Jews
that the โholyco$tโ industry claims were murdered during World War Two?
Yes or no?
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Post by Nessie on Feb 2, 2022 16:57:00 GMT
You use the term "concede", to suggest that I have previously argued something else and now accept that the 1.8 million includes Jews from Poland. In fact, it was you had to concede the point that your original claim about the 1.8 million was wrong. You then suggest that I have previously argued that the 3 million Polish Jews killed during the Holocaust includes some from the 1.8 million. I have not done that.
The evidence is that out of c3.4 million Jews in Poland in 1939, c3 million died during WWII. Oh boy! ๐คฆโโ๏ธYet another quite moronic miscomprehension. I readily and gratefully accepted correction from Blake (currently replying under the โrabbitโ pseudonym). I donโt shy from correction. On the contrary, I welcome it. That is because I have no fixed belief that I need to protect. I am genuinely trying to better understand this period of history. You on the other hand appear to have a cherished โbeliefโ to buttress and protect, as you have avoided mentioning that I also provided other contemporary news reports alluding to โ hundreds of thousandsโ of Polish Jews being in Soviet territory. I shall rephrase the extremely simple question again for you. As perhaps your linguistic difficulty at understanding simple words is the problem, I have replaced โ concededโ with โ admittedโ to try and help you. You just admitted that some of the 1.8 million figure of Jews moved into the Soviet interior had come from Poland. You have also repeatedly suggested that revisionists have no evidence at all of any Jews being โtransitedโ to the โEastโ. But... (focus now) ...if you admit that some of the 1.8 million mentioned came from Poland, why can you not admit that some of the more than 3 million โmissingโ Polish Jews that the โholyco$tโ industry claims were murdered, could be amongst this 1.8 million number? The direct answer to been-there's question is here, where it was moved
You are unhappy that I had to correct some of the points you raised with your post and question and I show you evidence as to why none of those who fled from Poland (who are in the 1.8 million figure) are amongst those killed during Nazi rule.
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