Nessie
๐ฆ
๐๐๐ง๐๐ซ๐๐๐ข๐ฅ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ท๐๐ฑ๐ถ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐๐ผ๐ฟ (Nessies forum)
Posts: 3,219
|
Post by Nessie on Feb 17, 2022 10:34:39 GMT
About 70% of the Treblinka outbound train records have disappeared, evaporated like the morning mist and are no longer to be found. It's claimed that about 30% of outbound trains returned empty to Warsaw. ONLY records for empty trains returning to Warsaw are known to exist. Gee, what a cohencidence. If 70% of ghetto transport records have disappeared, how have historians been able to work out where people were transported to, when the ghettos were closed? For example the Lodz ghetto records; www.ancestry.com/search/collections/1490/It records the 7169 Jews sent to the death camp at Chelmno. Those trains, like the Warsaw to TII trains, went full and left empty, because like Warsaw, the Lodz ghetto was being emptied. It is from ghetto transport records that the TII timeline of transports was constructed; memoryoftreblinka.org/timeline-of-treblinka-extermination-camp/For example; "The transport, designated โBsโ, departed from Theresienstadt on September 29, 1942 and was the fifth in a series of eight transports of sick and elderly Jews (โAlterstransporteโ). The transport was composed entirely of Jews who had been deported earlier from Germany and Austria, among them 498 deportees from Vienna, 495 from Hesse-Nassau and 498 from Berlin." Are you going to argue that full trains returned to Theresienstadt? Are you going to argue that the 19 transports of Dutch Jews from Westerbork to Sobibor in 1943 were trains that left Sobibor full of people? If so, show your evidence. Remember what you said that I have posted in my signature, where you acknowledged that you need evidence. You know that "fair certainty" is not good enough and you need evidence those three transports actually left TII. Plus, those transports were not for resettlement in the east, they were to labour camps in Poland. That blows denier claims of the AR camps as transit camps sending millions east out of the water.
|
|
Agandaur
โ๏ธ
๐๐๐ญ๐ซ๐ข๐๐ข๐๐ง
Posts: 85
|
Post by Agandaur on Feb 17, 2022 10:44:40 GMT
[If 70% of ghetto transport records have disappeared, how have historians been able to work out where people were transported to, when the ghettos were closed? Speculation. 14f13
|
|
|
Post by ๐๐ฅ๐๐๐ณ๐ง๐จ๐๐ซ on Feb 20, 2022 17:57:24 GMT
Posts discussing TII have been moved from here to Nessies Space. linkThe aim of this thread is to discuss the dissolution of people who crossed the borders and not on the veracity of a single camp or transports to that camp.
|
|
|
Post by Ulios on Feb 20, 2022 21:45:16 GMT
Since transport records (or lack thereof) were being discussed, maybe someone can provide transport records of those who allegedly transported across the border from Poland (the General Government) into Ukraine or Belorussia (Ostland). It has been mentioned in the past that people were sent by foot or truck, due to the bombing of tracks, railway stations and telegraph lines. The mass transports for people stopped at the GG border, the priority for railway being troops and munitions to the front.
|
|
Nessie
๐ฆ
๐๐๐ง๐๐ซ๐๐๐ข๐ฅ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ท๐๐ฑ๐ถ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐๐ผ๐ฟ (Nessies forum)
Posts: 3,219
|
Post by Nessie on Mar 13, 2022 9:55:00 GMT
Since transport records (or lack thereof) were being discussed, maybe someone can provide transport records of those who allegedly transported across the border from Poland (the General Government) into Ukraine or Belorussia (Ostland). It has been mentioned in the past that people were sent by foot or truck, due to the bombing of tracks, railway stations and telegraph lines. The mass transports for people stopped at the GG border, the priority for railway being troops and munitions to the front. There was no bombing of tracks, railways and telegraph lines in Poland in 1942-3 when the AR camps were at the height of their operation. They were far out of range of Allied bombers.
There are numerous documents recording mass transports to the AR camps and none about mass transports back out of them.
There is no evidence of people just walking out of the camps, or being taken by trucks.
|
|
|
Post by Ulios on Mar 13, 2022 10:28:37 GMT
There was no bombing of tracks, railways and telegraph lines in Poland in 1942-3 when the AR camps were at the height of their operation. They were far out of range of Allied bombers. The discussion is about dissolution of people not about AR camps. There are no transport records as people were moved by cart and horse and then walked. The bombings of railways were done by partisans, not allied aerial bombardment. There is plenty of evidence of people being moved by cart all previously mentioned and also people walking also previously mentioned. This is a mantra and is likely to get you barred from posting in this part of the forum.
|
|
|
Post by been_there on Mar 13, 2022 10:49:52 GMT
It has been mentioned in the past that people were sent by foot or truck, due to the bombing of tracks, railway stations and telegraph lines. The mass transports for people stopped at the GG border, the priority for railway being troops and munitions to the front.
There is no evidence of people just walking out of the camps...
Ok. Thanks for this! So โdeath marchesโ never happened? ๐คฆโโ๏ธ๐ How grateful we should be that we have this person sharing their expertise and knowledge of these holocaust โfactsโ. ๐ Great that we have them here to set the record straight. ๐คช This person needs to contact the US Holocaust museum which according to the above statement has for decades been โ falselyโ stating the following: He should also correct this wikipedia stub, as โ according to previous statements โ this โexpertโ claims it is easy for anyone to correct wikipedia โholyco$tโ/holocaust information.
|
|