Jews as Forced Workers

Do not turn this thread into another "where did they go" scenario. Stay in your own enclave to do this. Warning.

Absolute nonsense. Please read the book by Ulrich and stick to that. One does not have thousands of Jewish Labour camps with only a few people in them, when munitions and food is desperately needed.
Sonia “Sarah” Lipowicz.
On October 1, 1942, 1,000 able-bodied Jews were ordered to be deported to a forced labor camp in Skarzysko-Kamienna. On this day, approximately 8,000 of Chmeilnik’s Jews were shipped to Treblinka extermination camp.

That is just a small bit of evidence that in early October 1942 of a thousand Jews from Chmielnik, a Shtetl (10 000 people) in SW Poland going to a single Hasag camp and then to others. In 42 there were thousands of other forced Jewish Labour Camps.
Lets examine two reports.
Chmielnik Report


The majority were sent to labour camps in Poland not Germany.

Compare that to the Wiki article.



The first article is correct, from a perspective of the reports the Jews locked in the Synagogue were probably resistance. The resistance movement within the town was the reason the Germans were harsh. Renia Kukiełka " Although not physically strong, she spied on the Nazis, smuggled weapons into the ghettos and crossed heavily patrolled borders. " (THE LIGHT OF DAYS
The Untold Story of Women Resistance Fighters in Hitler’s Ghettos
By Judy Batalion

The interesting point is the real town report of the thousands deported from Chmielnik (German attempt to break serious Resistance) only 250 went to extermination camp or prison.  The or, means there is doubt as to what happened.  Civilian combatants are liable to summary execution so it is not surprising, that resistance fighters would be given the ultimate punishment.

Compare and contrast that report with others that state a good number of Jews were sent to Treblinka and exterminated. This is pure fabrication. The majority of Jews from that town were sent to labour camps.

That is evidence that, 9000 thousand Jews were deported from a shtetl, of whom 1000 were selected to go to a Hasag camp and the rest to what is evidenced to be an AR death camp.



But the majority of people, from the evidence you link to, went to TII. AR was the clearing of the ghettos, theft of the last personal items of Jewish property and their murder. Only a small number were selected for the labour camps.



Again, the links you use refer to death camps. You just hand wave that part away because it does not suit you, and trust the source for the rest of the evidence. If you were correct then you would be able to evidence rising camp populations, as the ghettos are emptied. You have failed to do that.

We all know the narrative so stop acting like a bot. The report gave a distinction between an extermination camp where several hundred went and a concentration camp where the majority apparently went. In fact they were displaced. The camp mentioned is Treblinka not TII, the rest is the nonsense made up many years later by people like yourself.

There is no mention of a TII by any of those town witnesses, just Treblinka. The existence of manned labour camps, thousands of them is enough evidence to support a different story than the somewhat weak TII claim. I am not saying people in those horrible camps were not killed or died of some cause; the holocaust does not need extermination camps, just camps of death where many died. There is no cherry picking, what is picked out is their observation from unsupported emotions and hindsight bias.

If there was a selection process, what for if there was extermination. This is also evidence of 14f13 in action. The bolas you are throwing have gone around your ankles.

The Sobibor Dutch witnesses clearly report more or less identical 14f13 euthanasia of the decrepit at Sobibor; the rest is conjecture, not even anecdotal.



Provide these documents and do not use die Fahrplananordnung again to support that considering the new information that supports Labour and not genocide.


Yet as shown there were two Judenlager attached to T1 plus a Transit Camp in Malkinia and another one down the line at Podlaski.

Evidencing a few thousand camps, labour camps for Jews equates to many many thousand Jews if not millions.

I think we have discussed the coercions and threats to the families of Germans, especially Höss whose son was held by the Brits.



The Höfle telegram is meaningless in reality, T could stand for tschenstochau, it is also out of context. The Times of Israel report that the Ganzemeuller letter could be a fake. They say:
the document, expected to fetch $930, is an almost identical copy of another well-documented letter used in evidence at the Nuremberg Trials, which is dated July 28 1942. Ben Barkow, the director of the Wiener Library, one of the world’s most extensive archives on the Holocaust, told the Chronicle that the Mullock’s letter is troubling because its wording and grammar “are riddled with mistakes”.

“Without a satisfactory account of the history of this document since 1945, I believe that few historians would feel able to have confidence in its authenticity,” Barkow said. link


You have little knowledge of steam trains, the refuelling and water intake takes minutes not hours.

There were two judenlagers attached to T1; it appears that this was TII though that is not the issue at the moment. Marian Olszuk mentions he saw Jews at TII performing labour.



Weak argument when there was a rout of civilization going on during that period with the Red Western Drive.