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Post by Hรผntinger on Jul 26, 2023 12:27:00 GMT
After being censored a little here by the moderator Nessie slammed the door shut and swam to CODOH. They tolerated him for a few days but finally slammed their door on his Kelpie nose. |
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Jul 27, 2023 8:02:00 GMT
Nessie is babbling on at skeptics about the decision to ban him at CODOH. His latest dribble. link Archie at CODOH sums Nessie up with: |
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Post by Nessie on Jul 27, 2023 9:58:53 GMT
After being censored a little here by the moderator Nessie slammed the door shut and swam to CODOH. They tolerated him for a few days but finally slammed their door on his Kelpie nose. Bullied, not censored. I closed the door because of bullying, which is tolerated when it is certain posters bullying others. When I found my "Nessie.." account had been unlocked ("Nessie" and "Nessie." had been removed) I started an experiment. What if I go all out and attack the arguments being made? The answer was as expected. Deniers like their comfort zone of reeling out excuses, most of which are logically flawed, to disbelieve the evidence, whilst ignoring their inability to evidence what did happen. Challenge those excuses and their inability to evidence what happened, and panic ensues! |
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Post by Nessie on Jul 27, 2023 10:01:53 GMT
Nessie is babbling on at skeptics about the decision to ban him at CODOH. His latest dribble. link Archie at CODOH sums Nessie up with: Archie wonderfully summarises what is wrong with denial and right with how historians work. He also proves he does not understand the strawman fallacy and circular reasoning, but lacking understanding of logic is part and parcel of being a denier. |
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Jul 27, 2023 10:34:23 GMT
Challenge those excuses and their inability to evidence what happened, and panic ensues! It is noted that you take the "devils advocate" role. This is why posts lost under the old forum were contradictory. It is sad they kicked you out of CODOH; this is your home and bullying is not tolerated. Some at CODOH are pompous but most seem genuine. I do not think anyone is panicking. |
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Post by ๐๐๐จ๐ญ๐ญ on Jul 27, 2023 11:44:10 GMT
I try to make people behave but it's not easy. Of course I take a very dim view of heavy-handed moderation. It is a given that many posters are not going to agree with each other, but I always hope that people can agree to disagree courteously, and limit themselves to the actual arguments..  |
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Post by Gibson on Jul 27, 2023 14:49:21 GMT
Nessie is babbling on at skeptics about the decision to ban him at CODOH. His latest dribble. link Archie at CODOH sums Nessie up with: Archie wonderfully summarises what is wrong with denial and right with how historians work. He also proves he does not understand the strawman fallacy and circular reasoning, but lacking understanding of logic is part and parcel of being a denier. I have to say, this Archie fellow, I really like the cut of his jib. Saying something like "The Holocaust is true because it is evidenced" is indeed circular. Unless you can say what that evidence is, it's mere assertion. When you are asked for the evidence, you say something like "testimonial, documentary, and archaeological evidence," which is still vague. When asked to specify the evidence, you refuse because you think it's a "fallacy" to examine and reject evidence. Ness, you are an interesting example of the dangers of education. Your Philosophy 101 course seems to have inhibited your ability to reason. Uneducated people relying on their intuition can usually be reasoned with. |
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Post by Nessie on Jul 27, 2023 15:37:03 GMT
Archie wonderfully summarises what is wrong with denial and right with how historians work. He also proves he does not understand the strawman fallacy and circular reasoning, but lacking understanding of logic is part and parcel of being a denier. I have to say, this Archie fellow, I really like the cut of his jib. He is prone to making assertions and like you, constantly misrepresents what others have said. It all depends on the evidence, as to whether or not something has been proven to have happened. Unless you are a denier. Then, when an event you don't like is evidenced, that evidence is rejected and where an event for which there is no evidence is liked, then it is accepted. The evidence for mass gassings is significantly greater in terms of quality and volume than that of millions of Jews not being gassed. You are misrepresenting my arguments in what is the logical fallacy of strawman. yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman"You misrepresented someone's argument to make it easier to attack. By exaggerating, misrepresenting, or just completely fabricating someone's argument, it's much easier to present your own position as being reasonable, but this kind of dishonesty serves to undermine honest rational debate." I do not refuse to specify evidence. I have refused to name just one "star" or "best" witness and instead named multiple witness and then discussed their evidence. I do not think it is a fallacy to examine and reject evidence. Instead, I have gone into great detail about how to accurately examine evidence and the flaws in the denier method. The way deniers examine and reject evidence is primarily based on the logical fallacy of argument from incredulity. www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Argument-from-Incredulity"Description: Concluding that because you can't or refuse to believe something, it must not be true, improbable, or the argument must be flawed. This is a specific form of the argument from ignorance." You spend far too much time concentrating on me, rather than my argument, which is, you guessed it, yet another logical fallacy. yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem"You attacked your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument." Your post was short, but you still managed to use three logical fallacies. |
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Jul 28, 2023 5:55:17 GMT
I have to say, this Archie fellow, I really like the cut of his jib. Archie goes on to say: It is entirely this perception of disruption which is responsible for the issues Nessie has faced at CODOH. |
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Post by Charles Traynor on Aug 2, 2023 13:54:01 GMT
I have to say, this Archie fellow, I really like the cut of his jib. Archie goes on to say: It is entirely this perception of disruption which is responsible for the issues Nessie has faced at CODOH. Archie's assesment of Nessie's contribution to the holocaust debate is spot on. Unfortunately for Nessie his ultimate legacy within the holocaust enthusiast community will be to be remembered as a troll by those on both sides of the debate. |
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Post by Nessie on Aug 4, 2023 12:05:53 GMT
Archie goes on to say: It is entirely this perception of disruption which is responsible for the issues Nessie has faced at CODOH. Archie's assesment of Nessie's contribution to the holocaust debate is spot on. Typical assertion with no explanation. I do not see this as a popularity competition, I do not care how I am regarded. That deniers think I am a troll, is just more sign of my success at concentrating on their arguments, rather than playing their game. I limited myself to a few threads, which suddenly got busy and was then accused of trolling, as I demolished their stupid arguments. Others don't see me as a troll, they just do not like my methods, especially after I have been critical of people who play the denier game. The foray onto CODOH was an unexpected opportunity to evidence my theory about the best way to attack denial. It provided me with a lot of evidence to prove that the best way to attack denial, is to not play their game and to concentrate on their arguments. Bombsaway and HistorySpeaks play the denier game by presenting the deniers with evidence, for them to criticise. Deniers are in their comfort zone, with their excuses to disbelieve the evidence, which make them feel clever, as they think they are uncovering a hoax. Attack the denier method of criticism, they are out of that comfort zone and have to act. On CODOH, the action was censorship and then a ban. Here, it has been allowing been-there to bully, but this place has died a death anyway. After Turnagain left, there was no one really worth debating. His idiotic claims about mass graves and stockpiles were so logically flawed, that no one else bothered with them. I post on TSSF giving examples of the holes in denier arguments. Pretty much all of the examples come from CODOH, where they at least try to debate the Holocaust. |
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Aug 4, 2023 22:04:56 GMT
Pretty much all of the examples come from CODOH, where they at least try to debate the Holocaust. This is a history forum not a revisionist forum. I think the world was fairly tired of your endless nonsense with Turnagain, Werd and some others. Using the same phrases endlessly is not debating or tackling complex issues, it is simply trolling. Hektor at CODOH has it right when he says: the burden of proof is on the accuser. But when people already think that the accusation is true, he doesn't have to prove that he got a case, all he does have to do is to assert there is.
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Post by Nessie on Aug 5, 2023 14:54:37 GMT
Pretty much all of the examples come from CODOH, where they at least try to debate the Holocaust. This is a history forum not a revisionist forum. I think the world was fairly tired of your endless nonsense with Turnagain, Werd and some others. Using the same phrases endlessly is not debating or tackling complex issues, it is simply trolling. Hektor at CODOH has it right when he says: the burden of proof is on the accuser.That burden of proof applies to denier claims. Too many deniers think they are exempt from the burden of proof. For example, when deniers claim there are either no mass graves, or insufficient remains at the AR camps to account for hundreds of thousands of cremated bodies, they need to present evidence from GPR, bore hole samples, excavations or other archaeological surveys, to prove that claim. Which is what deniers do, as they cannot evidence what happened. They can only assert millions did not die by gassing and were still alive at the end of 1944. |
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Post by Nessie on Aug 5, 2023 18:24:05 GMT
Note to been-there, bullying will not be tolerated in this part of the forum.
Follow forum rules, in this case; XI "๐ฅ๐ฒ๐บ๐ฎ๐ถ๐ป ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐๐ฝ๐ฒ๐ฐ๐๐ณ๐๐น ๐ผ๐ณ ๐ผ๐๐ต๐ฒ๐ฟ ๐บ๐ฒ๐บ๐ฏ๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ ๐ผ๐๐ต๐ฒ๐ฟ๐. ๐๐๐๐ฉ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐จ๐ฉ๐ข๐ง๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ฌ ๐๐๐จ๐ฎ๐ญ ๐จ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ซ ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฌ๐ญ๐๐ซ๐ฌ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ฌ๐๐ฅ๐; ๐ฅ๐๐ญ ๐จ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ซ๐ฌ ๐ฆ๐๐ค๐ ๐ฎ๐ฉ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ข๐ซ ๐จ๐ฐ๐ง ๐ฆ๐ข๐ง๐". Nessie is a mythical beast that is and can be correctly referred to as he, she or it. I chose which one applies to me, not you. Refusing to respect my request to be addressed as he and repeating behaviour that you have been asked to stop, is bullying. Keep your opinions of me, such as my education, to yourself.
The only moderation option I have is to delete your posts that do not follow forum rules, so that is what will happen.
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Post by been_there on Aug 5, 2023 19:58:33 GMT
Nessie is a mythical beast that is and can be correctly referred to as he, she or it. I chose which one applies to me, not you. Actually, no you donโt choose. You only choose whether to be in denial of reality and to censor people who expose this to you and to the RODOH board. You also DO NOT get to choose whether the name is the diminitive of the female names Agnes and Vanessa. It IS. And only someone in denial would refuse to acknowledge this. Each person can choose what pronouns they consider appropriate and only a person with a tyranncal, delusional mindset would deny this obvious reality. |
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