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Post by blake121666 on Nov 15, 2021 17:41:36 GMT
Here's the picture again: Why do you think that your blue lines and red lines reside in the same plane of reference?
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Post by blake121666 on Nov 15, 2021 17:47:21 GMT
Notice the heights of things that one would think at equal distances from your lines. They don't appear correct if your planes of reference are the same.
The large man must be pretty far away from that fence, eh?
Is that your explanation for his largeness compared to the fence? Are you saying the fence is that far away from the man in this common reference plane you are comparing?
Look how small the far man is from what one would think is equal parallel to him on the fence side - where the fence is ostensibly farther away (if one is to believe that you are lining up equal measures of perspective). There the fence is large compared to the smalless of the man.
You are not comparing equal perspectives here.
This is quite obvious to me. It is obvious to anyone with properly functioning eyeballs and interpretation of sight.
I don't need to derive the metrics from the pixel points. They are not the same here.
The blue line perspective is squashing heights at a much greater rate than the red line perspective. It is looking more downward with the camera - AND its lens is obviously different. The focal lengths are wildly different between the two. The blue perspective is a much closer focal length than the red.
You are simply comparing delusions in your mind. You cannot get any reasonable measure of difference of distance between the rails from your comparison here.
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Post by blake121666 on Nov 15, 2021 18:15:12 GMT
I think this example puts paid to your delusions.
Does everyone see how nonsensical he is being here?
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Post by blake121666 on Nov 15, 2021 18:22:00 GMT
In the Treblinka (red) picture, the camera angle is low and distances are great.
In the blue plane the camera angle is downward and distances are small.
He is not comparing equal metrics.
And the friggin lines he draws are from the moon. What even ARE those lines for crying out loud?
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Post by Prudent_Regret on Nov 15, 2021 19:16:37 GMT
LGROI can continue his gaslighting, but I'll introduce a new photograph of the Treblinka spur rails I have found. Unfortunately, it does not provide clarity and massively complicates this issue. First, recall that this is the image LGROI and I have been discussing: The source of this photograph is the Ghetto Fighters House Archives and the date attribution is September 1962. The description reads: It turns out that there is another photograph from the same location, and this one is in the Yad Vashem archive: That image is accompanied with this note in the archive: An approximate translation reads: The note suggests this was photographed in 1960. When I saw this photograph, my immediate impression was that the Yad Vashem (YV) photo was taken from a greater height than the Ghetto Fighters House (GFH) archive. However, something seemed a little off between the pictures, so I decided to try to align the photographs to get a better feel for the difference in perspective. What I found is pretty shocking, I'm not sure exactly what to make of it. Maybe I have lost my mind as LGROI keeps insisting, so I'll let him weigh in to tell me how crazy I am: The tree line from the GFH photo is the exact same as from the YV photo. And I don't mean "the general shape of the tree-line is about the same", which may be obvious given they are taken at about the same location. I mean the precise orientation of the individual, small branches as well as the density of the leaves in the trees is essentially the exact same between the images in a way that is inconceivable for photographs taken years apart (frankly, even days apart). Instead of aligning the vanishing point of the rails as I had originally planned, I found a nearly exact match in the alignment of the tree-lines and made this animation to show that the tree line must have been copied and pasted between images: There is no conceivable way these images should have precisely the same tree line, down to the exact orientation of the small branches and foliage density. It is only possible if these photographs were taken at the same time and at different angles. But that doesn't account for the difference in other differences between the photographs, like trees that disappear and the rail on the road. One or both of these photographs must be forged. My take is that the YV is more likely to be forged. It's darker, it has "more stuff" in it that does not exist in the GFH photograph. A couple of ghostly trees in the YV photograph disappear in the GHF photograph. The YV also has extra, dark bushes and foliage around some trees on the left side. I can't really make out any trees or bushes that are in the GFH photo but not the YV photo. But honestly I do not know what to believe at this point. This indicates to me that I am on the right track, asking the right questions. Someone felt the need to forge one or both of these photographs for some reason, and it's likely related to the questions I am raising. Neither of these photographs show a standard gauge railway, but I am now having doubts on their authenticity.
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Post by blake121666 on Nov 15, 2021 19:31:20 GMT
I think your most recent example might sink it into your head that sets of parallel lines in different planes of reference can be made to line up when viewed in a different plane.
The tree line's plane of reference is very nearly horizontal in both pictures. That line makes a tiny angle with the horizon of the picture.
THAT line is similar in both pictures - because it is far away.
But other planes of alignment - which are closer - are much different in orientation between pictures.
You cannot discern any difference between that faraway line as much as you can with closer lines.
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Post by blake121666 on Nov 15, 2021 19:42:30 GMT
Although, on second look, that tree popping up - to the left of the main tree line on the right - has me concerned. Where did that thing come from?
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Post by blake121666 on Nov 15, 2021 19:43:47 GMT
I'm going to speculate that those pictures are widely apart in time and that tree grew up in the interim.
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Post by Prudent_Regret on Nov 15, 2021 19:54:59 GMT
Look at the trees/foliage on the upper right side above the embankement. Look how the orientation of the individual, small branches are the exact same, and the leaf cover is the exact same. If they were taken far apart in time I find it inconceivable that these trees would looks as similar as they do, with even tiny branches in the exact same location relative to ecahother.
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Post by blake121666 on Nov 15, 2021 20:08:59 GMT
Yeah, you're kinda throwing me for a loop with these observations. Gotta think about this one.
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Post by blake121666 on Nov 15, 2021 20:10:37 GMT
With your last observation, my current thinking is:
The tree was cut down, the fences were changed in the way shown. And at about the same time as these pictures were taken (given the same tree line form - as you are saying).
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Post by blake121666 on Nov 15, 2021 20:15:42 GMT
That shrub to the left of the main line tracks was uprooted too. The picture we've been looking at is a later in time picture to this one you have now brought up.
The far left sign was taken out as well.
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Post by Prudent_Regret on Nov 15, 2021 20:18:06 GMT
This is the only plausible alternative in my view as well. But there are numerous bushes in the area that also must have been removed if that's the case. And look at the bottom of the post on the rail right-of-way sign. It looks like a blob of black paint, in contrast with the defined pole in the GFH photograph. I've also noticed that the bottoms of other objects in the YV photograph are suspiciously occluded by shrubs, almost as if to mask them being moved around in the photograph. Also look at where the pole angled against the power line meets the ground on the left most side of the GFH photo. That also looks like it's been blotched with paint. You can also see a neatly "square" area where the black half of the rail right-of-way moves down from the road line.
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Post by blake121666 on Nov 15, 2021 20:18:46 GMT
I think I could use the "resize" and "skew" functions of MS paint to make these pictures perfectly line up.
Are you savvy with this stuff? Can you "skew" the picture as I am saying?
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Post by Prudent_Regret on Nov 15, 2021 20:22:47 GMT
I might give that a try later, here I aligned it the best I could in a short time but it is clearly not perfectly aligned. So far I have only done resize/rotation but I think skew might be necessary to put the left side of the photograph back where it belongs.
I'm not good at photoshop though.
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