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Post by Callahan on Jan 27, 2023 3:39:08 GMT
Still nothing about camp populations, when they were open and how many were liberated at the end of the war. It is a big job, but it is possible to work through every camp, find out when it closed, how many were in the camp when it closed and what happened to them, and whether they were liberated or moved to another camp by the Nazis. If some c42,500 were being used, then it would be easy to find evidence of the resources the Nazis would need to keep so many camps open and evidence of millions of Jews being liberated. Right, but the onus is upon the establishment to show Jews could not have gone anywhere else, so it's on them (or you?). As it turns out, they certainly could have gone elsewhere. And not just one, two or dozens of locations but hundreds, thousands, all over Europe. And there are still no bone meal pits to be found.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 28, 2023 9:27:13 GMT
Still nothing about camp populations, when they were open and how many were liberated at the end of the war. It is a big job, but it is possible to work through every camp, find out when it closed, how many were in the camp when it closed and what happened to them, and whether they were liberated or moved to another camp by the Nazis. If some c42,500 were being used, then it would be easy to find evidence of the resources the Nazis would need to keep so many camps open and evidence of millions of Jews being liberated. Right, but the onus is upon the establishment to show Jews could not have gone anywhere else, so it's on them (or you?). As it turns out, they certainly could have gone elsewhere. And not just one, two or dozens of locations but hundreds, thousands, all over Europe. And there are still no bone meal pits to be found. The "establishment" have already provided evidence to prove the vast majority sent to the AR camps did not go anywhere else. Anyone who wants to claim they did go somewhere else, needs to provide evidence of that happening from witness statements, documents, images, physical, archaeological or other contemporaneous evidence.
If millions of Jews were resettled from the AR camps, then that would leave a lot of evidence. Where is it?
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Post by 𝝥𝝰𝘇𝗴𝝻𝝸 on Jan 28, 2023 9:31:41 GMT
If millions of Jews were resettled from the AR camps, then that would leave a lot of evidence. Where is it? We have proved that the trains stopped at the same locations of labour camps. You or anyone has yet to to show that all those people arrived at the final destination.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 29, 2023 15:21:16 GMT
If millions of Jews were resettled from the AR camps, then that would leave a lot of evidence. Where is it? We have proved that the trains stopped at the same locations of labour camps. You or anyone has yet to to show that all those people arrived at the final destination. Yet again you are misrepresenting what is and what is not evidenced. There is no point in debating with you when you are going to be dishonest. There is no evidence that the trains emptying the ghettos to the AR camps, were dropping prisoners off at labour camps on the way. There is evidence from eyewitnesses, documents and circumstantial evidence that those transports sent the vast majority of prisoners taken from the ghettos to the AR camps.
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Post by 𝝥𝝰𝘇𝗴𝝻𝝸 on Jan 29, 2023 20:23:14 GMT
There is no evidence that the trains emptying the ghettos to the AR camps, were dropping prisoners off at labour camps on the way. There is evidence from eyewitnesses, documents and circumstantial evidence that those transports sent the vast majority of prisoners taken from the ghettos to the AR camps The eye witnesses could only know about their own few carriages that were shunted from Treblinka station to the place TII. Their experience was very limited. They would have no knowledge of anything else. Mentioning circumstantial evidence without delving into it doesn't add anything. Those labour camps were all supported by trains; there is evidence that people did transfer from one of those camps to another on the Treblinka line. There is no other reason to stop at those locations for such periods of time except to shunt wagons and people. You were asked to find evidence of the trains going directly to Treblinka but have failed to do so. You also have the problem of those witnesses who stated that they left TII to go to a Lublin labour camp.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 30, 2023 11:39:32 GMT
There is no evidence that the trains emptying the ghettos to the AR camps, were dropping prisoners off at labour camps on the way. There is evidence from eyewitnesses, documents and circumstantial evidence that those transports sent the vast majority of prisoners taken from the ghettos to the AR camps The eye witnesses could only know about their own few carriages that were shunted from Treblinka station to the place TII. Their experience was very limited. They would have no knowledge of anything else. Mentioning circumstantial evidence without delving into it doesn't add anything. Eyewitness who worked at TII, or nearby, all speak to mass transports arriving at the camp. This report, previously discussed; pdfhost.io/v/imGvPqhD6_guard_reportstates that the stops were made to change the guards and to repair damage to the trains as the prisoners tried to escape from the carriages. That is not true. Hofle, Ganzenmuller and Stroop all document mass transports arriving at TII and in any case, a train that goes to TII has to go via other places as it used the existing railways and as shown above, it would have to stop on the way. There is no direct line to TII that does not pass through another station to get there. That some transports had worker selections on arrival is not a problem. That selection for work process is well evidenced and best known at A-B, but it also took place at the AR camps.
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Post by 𝝥𝝰𝘇𝗴𝝻𝝸 on Jan 30, 2023 18:41:22 GMT
Eyewitness who worked at TII, or nearby, all speak to mass transports arriving at the camp. Considering all the other nonsense they spoke about nothing they say is "evidence". Höfle never mentions mass transports to Treblinka. Ganzemeuller states: He is mentioning the train destination, not that they all arrived there. It would be well known that the labour camps were stopped at along the routes. To suggest 5 thousand a day arrived at the destination point is a misinterpretation of the letter. Suppose a large group in Edinburgh wanted to travel by train to Carlisle, they would be put on the Edinburgh to London train. Likewise Jews going to the labour camps would be put on the Treblinka train. None of those witnesses mentioned anything untoward at Treblinka. Wiki states Now the Jews I am referring, did not become members of its Sonderkommando but left to work at the Lublin Labour camps. That is consistent with its probable role as a Judenlager. It was the Judenlager of Treblinka 1 aka zwangarbeitslager für Juden Treblinka. In fact Deutschalnd.de mentions two zwangarbeitslager fJ in the Treblinka area separate from the labour camp although a part of it. These are the camps 3030, 3031 Agricultural (women) gravel pit (men) work closed 24 July 44, Treblinka I was set up as an "educational camp" and later served as a work camp for Jews and Poles.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 3, 2023 8:26:44 GMT
Still no evidence of Jewish resettlement from the AR camps in Eastern Galicia.
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Post by curioussoul on Feb 2, 2024 21:27:40 GMT
Right, but the onus is upon the establishment to show Jews could not have gone anywhere else, so it's on them (or you?). As it turns out, they certainly could have gone elsewhere. And not just one, two or dozens of locations but hundreds, thousands, all over Europe. And there are still no bone meal pits to be found. The "establishment" have already provided evidence to prove the vast majority sent to the AR camps did not go anywhere else. On the contrary, the "establishment" simply declared that the vast majority of deportees was exterminated without bothering to prove it with evidence.
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Post by Nessie on Feb 3, 2024 16:15:37 GMT
The "establishment" have already provided evidence to prove the vast majority sent to the AR camps did not go anywhere else. On the contrary, the "establishment" simply declared that the vast majority of deportees was exterminated without bothering to prove it with evidence. That is a bare faced lie. There has been extensive enquiries into what happened at the AR camps, tracing witnesses and documents, conducting site examinations and tracing the history of AR and its purpose. You are only claiming there is no evidence, to deflect from your inability to evidence what did happen at the AR camps. You have no witnesses, documents or any other form of evidence.
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