Jewish Resettlement" in Eastern Galicia Jan 6, 2023 1:04:17 GMT
Post by 𝝥𝝰𝘇𝗴𝝻𝝸 on Jan 6, 2023 1:04:17 GMT
Jewish Resettlement" in Eastern Galicia
Fahrplananordnung documents used as evidence of mass deportations to the alleged Treblinka extermination camp have shown to have serious flaws.
In all cases the documents show that the trains stopped for considerable times at the precise locations of major "Forced Labour Camps for Jews" aka Zwangarbeitslager (Zwl); all the stops are also major railway junctions.
Suggestions have been given as to why the trains stopped at those periods, some pertinent replies are:
- To pick up more Jews to take to be gassed.
- No one getting off.."You have not shown me any witness, photographic, documentary or other evidence of people getting off the AR transports at those locations."
- Every single witness to the AR camps that has ever been discussed here. None of them mention trains stopping at other stations and people getting off.
Obviously the witness statements of Leon Rytz and Elias Cohen who both arrived at Skarzysko-Kamienna Zwl is not going to register with that member.
The poster bombsaway at CODOH posted a link regarding delays on the Belzec line in Galicia, specifically from Kolomea (now Kolomyia). A report regarding the deportation of Jews from Kolomea to Belzec mentioning issues with the "passengers" in transit. This report is in pdf file for convenience. Jewish Resettlement in Eastern Galicea. Here is the original link the information was obtained from.
The date of the report is written as 9/14/42 or the 14 September 1942. Germans would write this as 14.9.42 as the dates are in the report.
I will quote some relevant sections from that file. There is no train schedule for this transport.
The mention of the trains destination 7.9.42:
After all wagons had been properly nailed up and sealed, the transport set off for Belzec at around 9 p.m.
4,769 Jews were resettled after about 1,000 of the total number of Jews who had been raised by the Pol.had been released.Each wagon of this transport train was loaded with 100 Jews.
This calculated to 48 wagons.
Excessive loading, another transport 9.9.42:
excessive loading of most of the wagons with 180 to 200 Jews was so catastrophic that the situation became serious adversely affected the transport
Stress was due to a heatwave. The transportees were left in the wagons overnight.
Another transport 10.9.42 leaving 8.50am
The total number of Jews transported to Belzec on the resettlement train on September 10, 1942 was 8,205.
Arrival at Lviv railway junction:
At 11.15(pm?) the train arrived in Lviv.
The trip of about 170km took 14 hours 25 minutes. The transports stopped at Stanislau for 1.5 hours to repair the damage the passengers inflicted on the carriages. ( I put pm as I am certain the train cannot do 185 km/h to traverse 170 km in 55 minutes.)
This quote is interesting.
At 11.15 the train arrived in Lviv. After a short stop at Lemberg station, the train drove to the Kleparow suburban station, where SS-Ostuf. Schulze was given 9 wagons, which were marked with an "L" and intended for the forced labor camp, and were unloaded here. SS Ostuf.Schulze then had about 1,000 Jews loaded in again. At around 1:30 p.m., the transport continued towards Belzec.
Lemberg is just another name for Lviv . The train went to Kleparow, a suburb of Lviv, the site of a major railway junction for trains heading north. Here the transport stopped about 2 hours 15 mins.
Here is an image of the junction.
Some people have speculated that the labour camp designated L was "Lublin" aka the Majdanek extermination camp.
The document does mention Jews being transported to forced labor camp called L. This would seem to be Lublin (Majdanek) and is one of the destinations noted in the Hoefle telegram:
About 130 km north of Klemperow railway junction was the labour camp of Lutsk. The railway line north of this junction goes directly to the city of Lutsk. There is no need for the train to deviate about 6 km to Klemperow, when the Lviv railways station has tracks directly to Belzec and then Lublin if necessary. The only destination with a labour camp on the northern line from Klemerow was the one in Lutsk.
The Lutsk Labour camp opened on October 19 1941 closing at the end of 1942. A ghetto was also set up in Lutsk on December 11–12, 1941. An orphanage, an old age home, and public kitchens were established in the ghetto. link. On March 15, 1942, a few hundred men were sent to Vinnitsa for the construction of the Führer's HQ there.
There was a mass escape of Jews from the ghetto and Labour camp in Lutsk. Some were murdered by Ukrainians but others had joined the partisans. They fought the Germans as part of the Kowpak units. On September 1, 1942, some 2000 escaped Jews, most who emerged from hiding, were executed. How many Germans died in the conflict in unknown at this stage.
If 9 wagons loaded with 200 people in each were sent to Lutsk on September 10, 1942 this would amount to 1 800, similar in number to the Jews that had been executed as partisans.
I have written in the Belzec post that there were a number of camps set up in that area. Bełżec-Dwór (Bełżec-Manor), Bełżec-Młyn (Bełżec-Mill), Bełżec-Parowozownia (Bełżec-Roundhouse), and the camps in Cieszanów, Lipsk, Płazów, and Dzików. These were all Zwl camps.
What we have here in the document is evidence that Jews transported to an alleged extermination camp were removed to be relocated in a Labour camp for Jews. The remaining 6 400 + 1000 added on that transport could easily be divided up amongst the 10 Belzec Labour camps (@740). It is also interesting that another thousand Jews were added.
The stop time for this transfer to another camp was 2 hours 15 minutes similar to the stop at Siedlce Zwl and railway junction (Fplo 587)..1 hr 35 mins