Is an intermediate/compromise position viable?

Nessie, that only bolsters my case that population disinfection was probably done at such places.

You act like military police reservists, many of whom had backgrounds working at state hospitals in one capacity or another, was something sinister.

Well, the Germans might have indeed euthanized some incurables in their six state hospitals in Germany that Hoaxsters today call euthanasia centers. The Catholic Church complained about it and Hitler supposedly stopped it.

But in doing so, the Germans could have used some lethal gases like CO administered to a patient via a mask. Or they could have used an overdose injection of morphine ─ as is often the case with the terminally ill who are ready to die, since there is plausible-deniability for the doctors that way.

But they damn sure did not gas people en masse in homicidal gaschambers. The facts that hospitals like Hartheim Castle in Austria and Hadamar in Germany were plumbed for municipal cooking gas, which in those days had a high CO content, is not proof of anything.

Furthermore, Allied pathologists like the "Crime Doctor" Charles P. Larson exhumed and examined a great many corpses at German state hospitals at the end of the war, but they did not find one victim of gassing or shooting.




Instead, the causes of death at such German state hospitals were pretty banal ─ sickness, emaciation, etc. This is exactly what you would find in any hospice facility where sick people waste away and die, and even in facilities where people are NOT known to have experienced any wartime medicine and food shortages.




Nobody ─ except maybe Hannover at the CODOH forum ─ doubts that there was not SOME body disposal at the camps, all of whom had some level of prisoner labor. But the vaunted mass-graves simply do not exist. And there would have been some big trash pits and burned stuff in such camps. Big deal.

Also, the Belzec and Sobibor camps have recently been "remodeled" with kitschy Holocaust memorial concrete ─ which conveniently makes the idea of further forensic excavation unlikely if not impossible. Coincidence? Like earlier at TII, that seems doubtful.



Yes, we are familiar with the claims of escapees like Jankiel Wiernik at Treblinka. His story was published in New York in 1944 in Polish, English, and Yiddish by some Communist Labor organization.

And Rudolf Vrba and Alfred Wetzler, whose famous Auschwitz Report was handled by Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau, Jr.'s War Refugee Board, which he started after his Carthaginian Morgenthau Plan to turn Germany into a potato patch was exposed to the public, and he therefore found a less bellicose way to promote Jewish propaganda interests against German.

In the first Thoughtcrimes trial (1985) against publisher Ernest Zündel in Canada, Dr. Rudolf Vrba (aka Walter Rosenberg) was forced to admit under oath that his Auschwitz Report contained much "poetic license." 

These mass-gassing reports were available in mid-1944 when the Eastern camps were liberated and the Allied press started circulating them. The prosecutors and Nuremberg were aware of the stories and so were the Nazis on trial. At lot of details are nevertheless at variance to the narrative as it stands today. But the essential mass-gassing of the Joos claim was well-known to the public by mid-1944. It was claimed that three million were murdered at Treblinka and 1.5 million at Majdanek. Eisenhower even presented the Liberation of the typhus epidemic camps in the West and the bulldozing of emaciated corpses into mass-graves by Allied troops in newsreels proof of the Nazi Genocide. Epidemics don't speak to homicidal gassings, however.



This might be the most disturbing aspect of the whole thing, at least in modern times, and why I do not mind calling the Holocaust a Hoax.

Flat Earthers, 9/11 "Truthers," and Deniers of nuclear weapons (yes, really) ─ or the fact that the Americans landed pairs of men on the Moon six times between 1969 and 1972 are not things that governments throw people into jail for.

But doubting the homicidal gassing of Jews, the claim for which exists exclusively on flimsy hearsay and MASSIVE mass-media promotion and memorialization budgets ─ that, Mr. Holmes, will get you put into jail.

There is ample evidence that Aktion 14f13 euthanasia program was in full swing during the same era. Qualified people were required to administer this program. The only qualified people were the T4 staff. It was upon arrival at various camps that the decision was made by a medical doctor who should be euthanized. The slang term was removal of "useless eaters". This applied to all people not just the chosen. At Sobibor it is clear they were shot while most of the other people went on their merry way to work places.

I find no issue that those near death were put into a morgue accompanied by cyanide pellets to hasten the process. Those with typhus might have been treated in a similar manner to save the lives of the majority. At Birkenau the camp hygiene was impeccable (Berg & Pivnik) to stop this scourge. Strict isolation of diseased people was essential, probably to the point of their demise.

All the descriptions of selections are identical to 14f13.



It is suggested that unnecessary pejoratives be kept to your board.

The stops according to the fahrplananordnung is indicative of people not arriving in the first place. That point you made is moot.


Stop trying to be a psychologist and stick to reality (if you can).

Liars are not evidential. There were thousands of zwangarbeitslager für juden. All evidenced and still work in progress.

There were thousands of Jewish work camps, many were on the way to Treblinka. There is enough evidence to show thousands of males left Warsaw to arrive in Bobruysk. There were hundreds of unknown Jewish work camps in Ukraine, recently discovered. Please stop carrying on with your drivel.

The majority of the documents mention "Treblinka", not a specific camp. Treblinka will be the Station which serviced at least 4 camps: TII, the Judenlager for men and another for woman, and TI. Malkinia and Kosow Podlaski were close enough to be included in the area.

Of course people were dropped off which is why those camps had thousands working there making armaments. People have mentioned they arrived at those labour camps by train. Some left TII to work in those camps. Saying there is insufficient evidence adds nothing to the discourse at all.

I will mention again, Marian Olszuk saw nothing untoward at the camp called TII, only clothes being burned. His evidence is enough to blow far fetched murderous theories to the wind.

Can you see the logical flaw in that argument? You were treated well in a hospital in the USA in the 2000s, therefore evryone sent to a hospital in Nazi Germany in the 1940s must have also been treated well. Look up non sequitur.



Here are examples of people being nice, therefore they can never be murders. Again, look up non sequitur.



Smoke does not mean gassings, you are correct there, you have identified the non sequitur this time.



Where did all of the supposedly euthanised people go, if they were not euthanised? Who cared for them during the war? Why not send them back to their families, the families who had objected to a euthanasia programme?