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Post by nazgul on Dec 19, 2022 20:22:10 GMT
Since every single person who worked at the AR camps or A-B Kremas describes mass gassings, your analogy is false. Repeating yourself over and over again does nothing for the case you are trying to make. Cite one witness at at time. You constantly do the mass witness quote as shown here: Every single witness to the AR camps that has ever been discussed here. It is also off topic. That aside, despite interviewing hundred of potential witnesses at those precise locations, Joseph Ginsburg: "had toured the concentration camps of Auschwitz, Birkenau, Majdanek, Treblinka, Sobibor and all the others in Poland, as a member of the official Soviet inspection team and he found no evidence whatsoever of any attempt on the part of the Germans to exterminate anyone and certainly not by means of lethal gas chambers!"
Ginsberg was there at the time, but some 15 years after the war the witnesses mentioned by the poster Nessie suddenly appear and given credibility due to publications. They had plenty of time to concoct a readable story. There is contradictory evidence, so one must weigh up an investigator of the times who heard nothing against those who have had time to concoct a story with extreme exaggerations. The death camps stories were flourishing but neither Dr. Larson nor any other forensic specialist has ever been cited by any Holocaust historian to substantiate a single case of death by poison gas, whether Zyklon-B or any other variety. What death camps remained lay firmly behind the Iron Wall. It has been mentioned many times that the Soviet Extraordinary Commission was instrumental in concocting the Katyn lie, Poland was a vassal of Moscow as was Eastern Germany and most of Eastern Europe. It was behind the wall of steel that the Holocaust deception was cultivated, disconfirming evidence whisked away. Revisionists, most of whom have no training in the study of history, are less aware and able to deal with those issues. I have shown readers the weakness of the "Historical method" which is turned around by this poster as to a war against historical religionists like himself and historical investigators. This war is not just with the holocaust but in archaeology as well. For instance, Graham Hancock theories on the origins of civilisation have been dismissed by archaeologists as rubbish. He has been banned from accessing archaeological sites and censored, because his ideas are controversial about the origins of civilization. There is no much interpretation required, when corroborating evidence from documents and witnesses all point to mass transports as ghettos were cleared to the AR camps, or when every single witness speaks to mass gassings at those camps. The documents cited as people arriving at single locations is flawed, considering the very long stops at the same locations of major labour camps. Aktion 14 f 13 or euthanasia could easily be misconstrued and it appears it has. There has been discussions on the witnesses over and over again about highly exaggerated claims. No one has explained clearly why a Soviet soldier Alexander Pechersky was put to work at a so called extermination camp. This must be seen in the light that he was a Jew and that Soviets soldiers were also allegedly mass murdered by the Germans. (2.8 million). It would be simple to put a bullet in his head, but instead they allow this threat to survive at a death camp where he did reek havoc. He was not just a Soviet Soldier but an Officer. He rejoined the Soviet Army only to have his version used by the Soviets. Like the Nina, Pinta and Santa Maria, Van Goghs ear Marie Antoinette's cake and door proclamations it is likely that Sobibor at least is mere Soviet Propaganda, like their attempts at Katyn. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 20, 2022 9:03:01 GMT
Since every single person who worked at the AR camps or A-B Kremas describes mass gassings, your analogy is false. Repeating yourself over and over again does nothing for the case you are trying to make. Cite one witness at at time. You constantly do the mass witness quote as shown here: Every single witness to the AR camps that has ever been discussed here. It is also off topic. You made a false analogy, when you said "If an alleged historical event claims that people were murdered by say guillotine and it was shown the people were hanged there are issues with the original narrative presented.", since those who worked at A-B and the AR camps did not say different methods were used to kill. All of the people who worked where the killings took place, said the deaths were by gassing. Until we can read the testimony of the witnesses Ginsberg spoke to, we have nothing but his claim, which is needs to be studied in more detail, to find out why he found no witnesses to gassings. Obviously, he may have not found anyone who actually saw a gassing, as not everyone who worked at the camps worked at the place where the gassings happened. The majority of the witnesses had escaped the Soviets and were with the Allies. Allied investigations confirmed the basics of what the Soviets said, but also challenged and disproved many of their claims, in particular, how many died. A conspiracy as you suggest could not survive that level of scrutiny, when the Soviets did not trust the Allies and vice versa. Hoaxing the mass gassing of millions, would need the Soviets and Allies to cooperate. The historical method of inquiry has been refined over the centuries and with the advancement of new methods, in particular forensics. It is far more reliable than the opinionated, fallacy argument based revisionist method. Since the Soviets could not maintain the Katyn hoax, they could obviously not maintain a far larger Holocaust hoax. You are repeated your previously debunked claims. You are comparing mistakes in details, with a massive event that involved millions. |
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Post by nazgul on Dec 20, 2022 19:12:00 GMT
the AR camps did not say different methods were used to kill. All of the people who worked where the killings took place, said the deaths were by gassing.This is what the witnesses who worked say about the AR camp Sobibor I suggest you read the topic content more.  Until we can read the testimony of the witnesses Ginsberg spoke to, we have nothing but his claim, which is needs to be studied in more detail, to find out why he found no witnesses to gassings. Obviously, he may have not found anyone who actually saw a gassing, as not everyone who worked at the camps worked at the place where the gassings happened. You are presuming the conclusion is true despite any contrary evidence given. You constantly ask for evidence you fail to acknowledge it when presented. However, what you think if of little concern, the facts speak for themselves and readers decide. The majority of the witnesses had escaped the Soviets and were with the Allies. Allied investigations confirmed the basics of what the Soviets said, but also challenged and disproved many of their claims, in particular, how many died. A conspiracy as you suggest could not survive that level of scrutiny, when the Soviets did not trust the Allies and vice versa. Hoaxing the mass gassing of millions, would need the Soviets and Allies to cooperate. The Soviets were the allies. The yanks thought there was gassing and mass murder at Dachau but got it wrong when they shot the guards. No mass murder of Jews in the allied zone just in the Soviet zone. The Jews in the allied zone died of typhus but the Jews in the Soviet zone were gassed; how convenient. You are a self proclaimed historian (of very dubious quality) The historical method of inquiry has been refined over the centuries and with the advancement of new methods, in particular forensics. It is far more reliable than the opinionated, fallacy argument based revisionist method. There is no "revisionist method". Suggesting that impossible claims did not occur are common sense. Showing a morphing of claims is also exposing the manipulation of media. Are you suggesting that scholars like David Irving are not historians? The historical method is OK for working out the Battle of Hastings or the iniquities of Henry VIII or any history where there is no great controversy or a systematic hoax. In fact you are using that methodology to legitimize obvious falsehoods. Since the Soviets could not maintain the Katyn hoax, they could obviously not maintain a far larger Holocaust hoax. You are repeated your previously debunked claims. You are comparing mistakes in details, with a massive event that involved millions. The rest of the hoax is still being unravelled. I doubt that analysis of time table schedules is a mistake in detail. According to internationally recognized standards, legal proceedings must not be politically motivated. However, it is impossible to ignore that the Nuremberg Tribunal and the Tribunal for the Far East (Tokyo Trial) after World War II were created based on the powerful political impetus of the countries that determined the post-war world order. The Soviet Union also ended up among these states, even though it had begun World War II as an ally of the Reich. At wars end the democratic nations of the anti-Hitler coalition did not want to aggravate relations with the totalitarian Soviet Union because of the risk of a new large-scale war. Such policies led to condoning Soviet crimes and other peccadillos. The Soviets should have been charged internationally for Katyn. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 20, 2022 20:08:28 GMT
the AR camps did not say different methods were used to kill. All of the people who worked where the killings took place, said the deaths were by gassing.This is what the witnesses who worked say about the AR camp Sobibor I suggest you read the topic content more. .... From the link; Alex Cohen said "Here the tippers were unloaded and the victims were shot; their bodies were thrown into a huge burial pit. The other prisoners were herded into the gas chambers." Cato Polak said "As the selected girls got back onto the train, the Dutch Jews who stayed behind in the camp were killed in Lager III. In this separate section of the camp the elderly and disabled were thrown from the tippers and shot in front of a pit, while the others were killed in the gas chambers." Bertha Ensel; "This was where the gas chambers were, but there was also a huge pit. The prisoners were told to line up along its edge, and then the camp SS would order the firing squad consisting of Ukrainian guards to shoot them." All the AR camps report some were shot, but the majority were gassed. Your analogy fails. You are trying to suggest wild inconsistencies in the evidence that are not there. |
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Post by nazgul on Dec 20, 2022 20:10:11 GMT
This is what the witnesses who worked say about the AR camp Sobibor I suggest you read the topic content more. .... From the link; Alex Cohen said "Here the tippers were unloaded and the victims were shot; their bodies were thrown into a huge burial pit. The other prisoners were herded into the gas chambers." Cato Polak said "As the selected girls got back onto the train, the Dutch Jews who stayed behind in the camp were killed in Lager III. In this separate section of the camp the elderly and disabled were thrown from the tippers and shot in front of a pit, while the others were killed in the gas chambers." Bertha Ensel; "This was where the gas chambers were, but there was also a huge pit. The prisoners were told to line up along its edge, and then the camp SS would order the firing squad consisting of Ukrainian guards to shoot them." All the AR camps report some were shot, but the majority were gassed. Your analogy fails. You are trying to suggest wild inconsistencies in the evidence that are not there. They could not know there were gaskammer there, they did not stay nor enter that compound. They could hear shots. Everything else is hearsay. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 20, 2022 20:16:05 GMT
....You are presuming the conclusion is true despite any contrary evidence given. You constantly ask for evidence you fail to acknowledge it when presented. However, what you think if of little concern, the facts speak for themselves and readers decide. Most of what you present, is opinion and your attempts to argue mass gassings are too unbelievable to be true. As I just proved in the last post, you manipulate the evidence to present a distorted picture of what witnesses actually said. The evidence you produce is very low quality, such as Ginsberg's claims about not finding any witnesses who saw gassings, but without naming those witnesses or presenting what they said. You have cherry picked evidence from people who did not see gassings, but gassings took place in very specific locations inside camps that were kept secure, so obviously not everyone who was at a camp, saw a gassing. You make claims about the number of camps that Jews not gassed could have gone to, without going into the chronology of the camps and when they were open and their populations. You make assertions, such as people got off the AR trains at stations before the camps, without any evidence to back your assertion up. You are right about what I think. What matters is the evidence and you do not have any evidence that something else happened and millions of Jews were still alive at the end of the war, having not been gassed. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 20, 2022 20:17:26 GMT
From the link; Alex Cohen said "Here the tippers were unloaded and the victims were shot; their bodies were thrown into a huge burial pit. The other prisoners were herded into the gas chambers." Cato Polak said "As the selected girls got back onto the train, the Dutch Jews who stayed behind in the camp were killed in Lager III. In this separate section of the camp the elderly and disabled were thrown from the tippers and shot in front of a pit, while the others were killed in the gas chambers." Bertha Ensel; "This was where the gas chambers were, but there was also a huge pit. The prisoners were told to line up along its edge, and then the camp SS would order the firing squad consisting of Ukrainian guards to shoot them." All the AR camps report some were shot, but the majority were gassed. Your analogy fails. You are trying to suggest wild inconsistencies in the evidence that are not there. They could not know there were gaskammer there, they did not stay nor enter that compound. They could hear shots. Everything else is hearsay. Their evidence is hearsay, but it is also consistent, which ruins your suggestion of wildly differing claims about the way the Nazis killed in the AR camps. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 20, 2022 20:25:40 GMT
...There is no "revisionist method". Suggesting that impossible claims did not occur are common sense... The revisionist method is, primarily, to suggest witness claims were impossible. Mattogno wrote books about why he thinks it was not possible for the Nazis to have done what is claimed at the AR camps and A-B Kremas. This site explains why that argument is logically flawed. www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Argument-from-IncredulityIt was possible for the Nazis to dig big pits, build gas chambers and mass cremate. Just because, based on witness descriptions, you don't think it was possible, does not therefore mean it was not possible. There is evidence it happened, therefore any claim about possibility is moot. That argument appeals to conspiracy theorists who think that the Holocaust was hoaxed and who do not consider how it would be possible to hoax such a huge event. |
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Post by nazgul on Dec 20, 2022 21:07:58 GMT
Most of what you present, is opinion and your attempts to argue mass gassings are too unbelievable to be true. As I just proved in the last post, you manipulate the evidence to present a distorted picture of what witnesses actually said. You are right about what I think. What matters is the evidence and you do not have any evidence that something else happened and millions of Jews were still alive at the end of the war, having not been gassed. There is no distortion at all. Lets analyse what one witness said: It is clear that this camps was for a selection for work. Aktion 14F13Then he doesn't know but somehow knows when making this statement then Cato Polak: While she is on the train she knows with certainty what is going on in lager III; how is this known? Bertha Ensel: I am sure a brief period of time is not long enough to establish the layout of an unknown camp, let alone its function. I acknowledge they saw Aktion 14f13.. If only 74 people were removed from the transport after a work selection and the elderly and disabled removed, this is clear indication that the thousands left on that transport moved on It is clear the selection took place on the train, which was not cattle cars. How they got to Lublin is not known from this testimony. The transport from Westerbork was the 10 March 1943: Sophia Huismann: A belief only, from rumour. Mirjam Penha-Blits This time not only the old were thrown onto tippers but everyone (apart from her) and machine gunned. This is not a mere discrepancy but a major deviation from the other testimonies. Surry Polak Sophie Verduin Clearly aktion 14f13. No mention of gas or mass murder. Jetje and Sientje Veterman Here we have people from the same transport with vastly different experiences of Sobibor. The evidence you produce is very low quality, such as Ginsberg's claims about not finding any witnesses who saw gassings, but without naming those witnesses or presenting what they said. You have cherry picked evidence from people who did not see gassings, but gassings took place in very specific locations inside camps that were kept secure, so obviously not everyone who was at a camp, saw a gassing. You make claims about the number of camps that Jews not gassed could have gone to, without going into the chronology of the camps and when they were open and their populations. You make assertions, such as people got off the AR trains at stations before the camps, without any evidence to back your assertion up. Ginsberg evidence is not low quality, he was with the investigation team. He is giving his conclusion after his research and must be taken as an expert witness. He interviewed hundreds of people. To dismiss him is asinine. The locations of camps were given in the years they were in existence as maps. These show a westward tend except for those in Austria. The Austrian camps were specifically labour camps for Hungarian Jews. To state they all arrived at Auschwitz is not true, just like stating all the Jews in the fahrplananordnung arrived at Treblinka is not true. There is reasonable doubt that the Jews arrived at those camps because of the reasons above. It is clear you have never prosecuted anyone nor been involved in legal proceedings of significance. If workers say they were transported from Kielce to Skarzysko kam 32 km away, both camps being on the same route as Fahrplananordnung Nr 587 and trains were the major form of transportation it can be concluded that the likelihood they travelled by train. This is Fahrplananordnung or train schedules. They were used all the time for transports for labour camps. You specifically have used these as evidence of transports to Treblinka, which no doubt some did end up there. It is not reasonable to use these as evidence of mass transports to a final destination considering the extended stops at labour camp locations. You were invited on another thread to show die Fahrplananordnung without extended stops especially at labour camps en route. You have not done so because they do not exist. You have not proved mass transports to a final destination beyond reasonable doubt. Reasonable doubt is all that is required, not absolute proof. Any ex prosecutor would know this. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 21, 2022 9:47:48 GMT
Most of what you present, is opinion and your attempts to argue mass gassings are too unbelievable to be true. As I just proved in the last post, you manipulate the evidence to present a distorted picture of what witnesses actually said. You are right about what I think. What matters is the evidence and you do not have any evidence that something else happened and millions of Jews were still alive at the end of the war, having not been gassed. There is no distortion at all. Lets analyse what one witness said: It is clear that this camps was for a selection for work. Aktion 14F13Then he doesn't know but somehow knows when making this statement then Cato Polak: While she is on the train she knows with certainty what is going on in lager III; how is this known? Bertha Ensel: I am sure a brief period of time is not long enough to establish the layout of an unknown camp, let alone its function. I acknowledge they saw Aktion 14f13.. If only 74 people were removed from the transport after a work selection and the elderly and disabled removed, this is clear indication that the thousands left on that transport moved on It is clear the selection took place on the train, which was not cattle cars. How they got to Lublin is not known from this testimony. The transport from Westerbork was the 10 March 1943: Sophia Huismann: A belief only, from rumour. Mirjam Penha-Blits This time not only the old were thrown onto tippers but everyone (apart from her) and machine gunned. This is not a mere discrepancy but a major deviation from the other testimonies. Surry Polak Sophie Verduin Clearly aktion 14f13. No mention of gas or mass murder. Jetje and Sientje Veterman Here we have people from the same transport with vastly different experiences of Sobibor. They all describe arriving at Sobibor, disembarking, some being shot, others lead away to be gassed and they were selected to work. How describes anything "vastly different" to that? The answer is none of them and you are nit-picking over details, having been caught out being dishonest about how people died. You suggested people were saying radically different things, and to back that claim up, you cherry-picked quotes to make out some only said people were shot, whereas others said people were gassed. It is a revisionist tactic to misrepresent evidence, which is easily spotted when all of the evidence is examined. Until we see the hundreds of interviews he conducted, we cannot reliably assess his claims. You would not accept a historian who claimed hundreds of people had told him they saw gassings, without seeing the statements. You are repeating your beliefs, but you fail to produce evidence to back up your beliefs. Your beliefs are based on a dishonest distortion of what is and what is not evidenced. You have no witnesses or documents to evidence people got off at stations en route to the AR camps. There are witnesses and documents to mass transports arriving at the AR camps. My belief is evidenced, yours is not. |
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Post by nazgul on Dec 21, 2022 10:09:29 GMT
They all describe arriving at Sobibor, disembarking, some being shot, others lead away to be gassed and they were selected to work. How describes anything "vastly different" to that? The answer is none of them and you are nit-picking over details, having been caught out being dishonest about how people died. You suggested people were saying radically different things, and to back that claim up, you cherry-picked quotes to make out some only said people were shot, whereas others said people were gassed. You said: I gave the information which showed all of the people did not say that. You were wrong. Many said victims were shot. Lets go over the evidence given again: The camp (Kielce) was a site of constant crimes. In spring 1944 the Gestapo came to the camp so as to organize a transport of the Jews to labor in Skarลผysko-Kamienna.
Both these camps are on the same line, the Fahrplananordnung to Treblinka. "She (Shaindel Goldlist) survived the concentration camps of Skarลผysko-Kamienna, Tschenstochau and Bergen-Belsen and was liberated at the latter camp by British armed forces in 1945"
and "Between August 1942 and summer of 1943 Jews from the Radom district were brought to three camps near the munitions factory to work the factory. According to German records, of the total 17,210 brought in with 58 transports"Each of those 58 transports had a Fahrplananordnung document. It is clear that people got off from trains at those destinations. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 21, 2022 10:20:52 GMT
They all describe arriving at Sobibor, disembarking, some being shot, others lead away to be gassed and they were selected to work. How describes anything "vastly different" to that? The answer is none of them and you are nit-picking over details, having been caught out being dishonest about how people died. You suggested people were saying radically different things, and to back that claim up, you cherry-picked quotes to make out some only said people were shot, whereas others said people were gassed. You said: I gave the information which showed all of the people did not say that. You were wrong. Many said victims were shot. You moved the goalposts, when I was discussing that everyone who worked inside an AR camp or A-B Krema who saw what happened, described gassings. You cherry picked the parts about the shootings, cutting out the part about gassings. I had to force you to admit they also said gassings and all described the same thing, some were shot and others lead away to be gassed. You are dishonesty misrepresenting the evidence, to make it appear witnesses said "vastly different" things, when that is not true. You cannot name a single witness from an AR camp transport, Jew, Nazi or Polish railworker, who describes the trains stopping at stations en route and people getting off. You can provide one single document that records how many people got off at those stops. I can have multiple witnesses to the mass transports arriving at the AR camps, where everyone got off and I have produced documents that record how many were sent to and arrived at the AR camps. I have the evidence, you do not, to prove what happened. |
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Post by nazgul on Dec 21, 2022 10:48:25 GMT
. You cherry picked the parts about the shootings, cutting out the part about gassings. I had to force you to admit they also said gassings and all described the same thing, some were shot and others lead away to be gassed. They could not have known about gassings but from hearsay. Please re read their statements. 58 transports went from Radom to another labour camp along the same line. People must have arrived at the Treblinka camps, they had about 6 thousand at any one time. You need to produce records of actual arrivals at those Treblinka camps not suggestions. |
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Post by Nessie on Dec 21, 2022 12:26:33 GMT
. You cherry picked the parts about the shootings, cutting out the part about gassings. I had to force you to admit they also said gassings and all described the same thing, some were shot and others lead away to be gassed. They could not have known about gassings but from hearsay. Please re read their statements. That is a different issue again. Every single person who worked inside an AR camp and saw the chambers, or inside a Krema at A-B, said exactly the same thing, gas was used to kill those inside. Hearsay witness claims do vary, though not in the case of the Dutch witnesses, who all speak to some shootings and the rest were gassed, but that is explained by the nature of hearsay. Your attempts to misrepresent the witness evidence as vastly different is dishonest. I have already produced documents that had Treblinka, or TII, or T as the destination of the AR transports. You have no documents that record people getting off those trains at the station they went via to get to TII. That other transports went along the same lines is hardly surprising. You throw information together in a haphazard way, and think it proves your beliefs. Anyone with any understanding of evidence can see how you are wrong. |
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Post by nazgul on Dec 21, 2022 19:49:50 GMT
That is a different issue again. Every single person who worked inside an AR camp and saw the chambers, or inside a Krema at A-B, said exactly the same thing, gas was used to kill those inside.
Hearsay witness claims do vary, though not in the case of the Dutch witnesses, who all speak to some shootings and the rest were gassed, but that is explained by the nature of hearsay. Your attempts to misrepresent the witness evidence as vastly different is dishonest. There is great variation as shown below from witnesses of the same transport. Please re read the Dutch statements. Most of them speak of being at the camp for a very short time, know nothing and then claim they know everything. In previous posts I have highlighted a few. Just for you, I will do it again: The gas chambers were from hearsay. None of them were in a position to see one but claim they knew about them. Even a person with abysmal comprehension skills can understand the phrase "we all believed"; this highlights the whole point. I said that information would express reasonable doubt as to the mass transport claim to the end point. That is all that is needed. I think the record of 58 transports from Radom to another camp along that line is sufficient to express confidence the Fahrplananordnung documents presented is similar to the ones for normal transports of prisoners from one camp to another. Die Fahrplananordnung you presented as evidence is most likely the schedules for normal camp to camp labour transports. You have deceitfully misused these to enhance your rather dubious claim. Fahrplananordnung is not my belief but an analysis of the stopping times and locations, all coinciding with labour camps for Jews. You were invited to find other ones supporting your claim, we all wait. I did not say that Jews were not sent to the end point but the Fahrplananordnung presented is not evidence of this. You do realise that your case is precarious. Unless you or another "Holocaust Supremacist", a believer can present another Fahrplananordnung that supports the notion of mass arrival at the final destination there is reasonable doubt as to the veracity of the claim. One cannot bleat as you have done for years "where did they go" if in fact they never arrived in the first place. If they never arrived one cannot mention Marian Olszuk's failure to mention mass departures. It also shows that Treblinka was not a transit camp; these being at Malkinia and Siedlce. It is not only Treblinka and Sobibor under discussion but also the Hungarian Jews who were purportedly sent to Birkenau and murdered. As mentioned many times a young ungarischer jรผdischer boy, Peter Lantos and family were put on one of three major transports out of Hungary. Two of those transports went to Austria while one when to Birkenau. Lantos presumed the last one resulted in gassing of its occupants. Lantos and family worked in various Zwangarbeitslager in รsterreich (Austria). It was recently discovered that there were 230 Zwangarbeitslager fรผr Juden รsterreich and a host of konzentrationslager holding Jews. Here is a list of Zwangarbeitslager fรผr Juden รsterreich.. This is information copied from www.deutschland-ein-denkmal.de/ded/start who are independent researchers. This information was put in pdf form for convenience. Yad Vashem have stated: This statement is expressed as fact with the testimony given by sonderkommando that most of these people were gassed immediately on arrival. It would seem that most of these Hungarian Jews did not arrive at Birkenau, but like the Lantos transports went to Austria. On average each camp for Jews could hold several thousand. The Hungarian camps in Austria commissioned until wars end could cater for 460 thousand Jews. Of course some Hungarian Jews did arrive in Birkenau. The existence of the camps in Austria would indicate that the majority went to Austria and not Birkenau as claimed by the believers. A Jewess at one of the labour camps (Miss X) stated at wars end, the guards fled and people just walked out; no one cared. This is the likely case in Austria and elsewhere. Labour camps were not konzentrationslager but lightly guarded. It is known that the Reich did try and put hรคftling into konzentrationslager at Wars end. It is claimed that the father of Peter Lantos was starved to death at Buchenwald by the Germans. If one reads the book "Parallel Lines", the author, Peter, states that his father traded his food for cigarettes. Revisionists do not have to prove anything. Reasonable doubt is enough in any court of law. |
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