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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on May 1, 2023 7:03:03 GMT
You need to prove the evidence is fraudulent. All of it. Every single witness, document, archaeological report, everything that proves mass gassings at the AR camps, Chelmno and the A-B Kremas. You need to prove the evidence is not fraudulent. In any court of law the burden is on the prosecution. |
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Post by Nessie on May 1, 2023 7:59:18 GMT
You need to prove the evidence is fraudulent. All of it. Every single witness, document, archaeological report, everything that proves mass gassings at the AR camps, Chelmno and the A-B Kremas. You need to prove the evidence is not fraudulent. In any court of law the burden is on the prosecution. When the defence claim the prosecutions evidence is fraudulent, it is on the defence to prove their claim.
If the prosecution claims any defence evidence is fraudulent, it is on the prosecution to prove their claim.
What ever the claim is, it is up to the claimant to prove their claim.
You have claimed the prosecution's evidence is fraudulent, so the burden of proof is on you.
Revisionists understand part of that, as they provide opinions as to why they think the evidence is fraudulent. The problem for revisionist is that they cannot provide any evidence, they only have opinion. For example, their opinion there is not enough space at the AR camps for the alleged mass graves. They pass their opinion off as evidence, when in fact, they need evidence, such as archaeological excavations and GPR, to prove their claim.
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on May 1, 2023 8:31:57 GMT
They pass their opinion off as evidence, when in fact, they need evidence, such as archaeological excavations and GPR, to prove their claim. Not at all. The evidence of gassing or a holocaust has not been proven beyond reasonable doubt. |
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Post by Nessie on May 1, 2023 12:08:51 GMT
They pass their opinion off as evidence, when in fact, they need evidence, such as archaeological excavations and GPR, to prove their claim. Not at all. The evidence of gassing or a holocaust has not been proven beyond reasonable doubt. Every single witness who worked inside an AR camp or A-B Krema states they were used for gassings. Documents record the building of gas chambers in the Kremas and the mass arrival of people at the camps, with no corresponding mass departures. The Nazis also had motive and admitted to what they had done. No evidence has been produced for the only alternative, of mass transports back out of the camps and accommodation of millions of Jews.
You believe in what is not evidenced.
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on May 2, 2023 9:37:07 GMT
Every single witness who worked inside an AR camp or A-B Krema states they were used for gassings. Documents record the building of gas chambers in the Kremas and the mass arrival of people at the camps, with no corresponding mass departures. The Nazis also had motive and admitted to what they had done. No evidence has been produced for the only alternative, of mass transports back out of the camps and accommodation of millions of Jews. This is the information that people like this poster have expounded for years. There is continued use of mass departures as some evidential surety and yet the existence of thousands of labour camps specifically for Jews is ignored; there were no mass arrivals. Jews were transported to one of the thousands of work camps throughout the Reich and its territories. |
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Post by Nessie on May 2, 2023 12:24:15 GMT
Every single witness who worked inside an AR camp or A-B Krema states they were used for gassings. Documents record the building of gas chambers in the Kremas and the mass arrival of people at the camps, with no corresponding mass departures. The Nazis also had motive and admitted to what they had done. No evidence has been produced for the only alternative, of mass transports back out of the camps and accommodation of millions of Jews. This is the information that people like this poster have expounded for years. There is continued use of mass departures as some evidential surety and yet the existence of thousands of labour camps specifically for Jews is ignored; there were no mass arrivals. Jews were transported to one of the thousands of work camps throughout the Reich and its territories. There are 42 names on this transport list from Eric Hunt, of people who say they left TII to go elsewhere
That does not mean there were 42 separate transports, as people could have been on the same transport. The transports estimate 6500-9000 people leaving TII.
Since c860,000 people went to TII on 219 transports, that is a huge gap for which there is no evidence.
Then there are all the Polish witnesses to empty trains leaving, or trains that carried property, but not people.
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on May 2, 2023 23:41:25 GMT
There are 42 names on this transport list from Eric Hunt, of people who say they left TII to go elsewhere That does not mean there were 42 separate transports, as people could have been on the same transport. The transports estimate 6500-9000 people leaving TII. It is hard to imagine any one leaving a "death camp"; this would be like saying sheep went to the abbattoir and then allowed to graze fields kilometres away. In that list which is virtually unreadable there is only a mention of TI. This poster is well aware that there were a number of camps in the area. In fact it is likely that the current TII was the judenlager of TI. I will remind people that Kosow Podlaski a few km away was designated as an extermination facility by US military intelligence. The only evidence is that these people were on a train destined to Treblinka station with multiple stops on the way at Labour Camps and railway junctions. It is a leap of faith to claim all these people arrived at the station. Whether they went to TI, Kosow Podlaski or Treblinka B is of no concern. Using Wiki as a source of information is fine, but that data could be written by anyone. It can be altered at will. It is interesting that Fahrplananordnung Nr. 562 is used as a source of information; no images can be found to verify this. However, other Fahrplananordnung are mentioned which supports significant stops at labour camps. Please use the proper embed codes when pasting urls. I notice amongst the list names like Yankel Wiernik. All of these people survived the place. Lets examine how they survived. The following is typical: Henryk PoswolskiAs for my survival, I owe it to a person from among the Jewish laborers, about 40 years old, who came up to me in the undressing courtyard and whispered: โYou are a bricklayer and a stove-fitter.โ It also seems that the commandant was busy selecting labourers every day; on 10 Sept 80 selected, Oct 1, 20 selected, 2 October 20 selected, 12 october 30 selected. All these witnesses managed to survive until the uprising. They were all interviewed by judge Z. ลukaszkiewicz of the Main Commission for the Investigation of Nazi Crimes in Poland a subservient organization of the Soviet Extraordinary State Commission for the Establishment and Investigation of the Atrocities of the German Fascist Invaders and Their Accomplices and the Damage They Caused to Citizens, Collective Farms, Public Organizations, State Enterprises and Institutions of the USSR (ChGK). It is likely that all of the statements were written by others to support the Soviet propaganda. When one reads stories of children beheaded or smashed against walls the validy of such testimony should be seriously questioned. |
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Post by Nessie on May 3, 2023 7:45:46 GMT
There are 42 names on this transport list from Eric Hunt, of people who say they left TII to go elsewhere That does not mean there were 42 separate transports, as people could have been on the same transport. The transports estimate 6500-9000 people leaving TII. It is hard to imagine any one leaving a "death camp"; this would be like saying sheep went to the abbattoir and then allowed to graze fields kilometres away. In that list which is virtually unreadable there is only a mention of TI. This poster is well aware that there were a number of camps in the area. In fact it is likely that the current TII was the judenlager of TI. I will remind people that Kosow Podlaski a few km away was designated as an extermination facility by US military intelligence. Worker selection processes are well evidenced, at the various death camps. It is not a leap of faith, it is evidenced. You produced evidence of the stops being used to repair damage and change guards, with one example of some people being sent to a camp and others joining the transport from that camp. Documents and witnesses prove mass arrivals at TII. It supports stops to repair trains and change guards, as per the document you linked to. You have not evidenced labour camps containing tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people at those stops. You are ignoring that they all evidence mass arrivals, without corresponding mass departures, from TII. |
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on May 3, 2023 21:47:16 GMT
Worker selection processes are well evidenced, at the various death camps. Especially at Sobibor where the majority left the camp after selection. According to the witnesses only the decrepit were euthanized. Once again an unrelated discussion on a Belzec transport by a guard is used somehow to support mass arrivals at TII. The only evidence is that compiled by a Polish Judge. There is little evidence all of those people even existed. There are no fahrplananordnung for Belzec transports. One of the camps en route was Skarลผysko-Kamienna run by HASAG producing TNT. They had 8 thousand Jewish workers. Here is a list of the Zwsangarbeitlager fรผr Juden in Poland. linkWe will examine these individually when I get time. They are likely to all be Soviet Propaganda. |
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Post by Nessie on May 4, 2023 7:53:25 GMT
Worker selection processes are well evidenced, at the various death camps. Especially at Sobibor where the majority left the camp after selection. According to the witnesses only the decrepit were euthanized. You don't have any evidence to back that claim up. Why do you make up lies? You are making up excuses to dismiss the evidence that does not suit you, then you lie you have evidence, when you do not. You cannot evidence millions of Jews being liberated from those camps in 1944-5. You cannot evidence they were open and operational at the end of the war. You are using delay tactics, to dodge accepting you cannot evidence your claims. |
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on May 9, 2023 11:38:38 GMT
It is interesting to note that the only witnesses to these alleged atrocities were the jews, the inmates themselves. In other major events a plethora of other people are spoken to, independent people. Marian Olszuk was a Polish worker who had dealings with this TIi and noticed nothing untoward except a bad smell.
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Post by Nessie on May 9, 2023 15:54:13 GMT
It is interesting to note that the only witnesses to these alleged atrocities were the jews, the inmates themselves. Is that claim correct? Is that claim correct? |
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Post by Gibson on May 12, 2023 14:21:05 GMT
I was looking at Nessie's brief posting career over at CODOH. Here is his 2012 reply to the topic "What made you first question the holocaust?"
Lol, he's just totally lying and pretending like he's a revisionist (or at least questioning).
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Post by Nessie on May 13, 2023 8:17:55 GMT
I was looking at Nessie's brief posting career over at CODOH. Here is his 2012 reply to the topic "What made you first question the holocaust?" Lol, he's just totally lying and pretending like he's a revisionist (or at least questioning). As you know, I am interested in the way revisionists think, how they put their arguments together and how they convince themselves they are correct, when the evidence is overwhelmingly against them and they will happily believe in a vague alternative that is unevidenced.
The name one Jew, along with the skin discolouration, use of diesel, how many corpses fit into a grave, how much wood is needed for a pyre, are all examples of revisionist arguments, which they use because of the lack of evidence to back up their claims. Some arguments are better than others. The name one Jew argument is one of the better ones, one that I have seen historians struggle with.
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Post by Nessie on Jun 8, 2023 9:15:29 GMT
One source you produced, stated that the stops were to change guards and repair damage to the carriages carrying the people, as they were trying to escape. The source is found here jewish-resettlement-eastern-galiciaThis transport has nothing to do with the fahrplananordnung documents used previously to prove Jews were sent to Treblinka. Apart from the destination L this transport was destined for the Belzec labour camp complex. The description matches the description of the trains to TII, where people were crammed onboard and kept there. There is no evidence of people being let off the trains at every stop to go to other camps Every witness who worked inside Belzec said it was a death camp. You cannot provide an alternative. It is proven, by the evidence, that numerous ghettos were cleared to the AR camps. You have failed to provide any evidence that they went anywhere else. . |
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