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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Nov 6, 2022 2:33:16 GMT
That total is 24,159, which is 7% of the 363,211 Jews executed. Obviously the Jews were suffering far more losses than nay other group. Thank you for those figures, Nessie most interesting. Lets look at other figures: link linkThe total losses in the Ukraine vary from 7.5 million to 13,614,000. | Year | Ukrn pop million | Jewish pop million | % pop | difference Pop million | difference Jews million | | 1940 | 41.9 | 2.7 | 6.4 | | | | 1945 | 28.3 -34.4 | 2 | 7.5 | -14.7 -34.4 | .7 |
The population of Ukraine in 1940 was 41.9 million; after the war the boundaries changed so that must also be taken into consideration. Within the boundary 700 thousand Jews perished while a maximum of their fellow countrymen 12.9 million (subtracting Jewish death) perished. If that data is correct then 35% of goy Ukrainians died while 26% of the Jews died in WWII. Using the lower figure would of course give 19% goy deaths. In 1977 Stephan G. Prociuk estimated in a detailed analysis that Ukraine's World War II loss of population was 11 million. (Annals of the Ukrainian Academy of Arts and Sciences in the U.S., New York 1977, vol. 13 no. 35-36, p. 23-50. Subtracting the Jewish population 8.3 million goy died which give a percentage of goy deaths at 21%. What is clear is that 2 million Jewish Ukrainians survived this war. Given the huge fluctuation in the numbers of deaths the Jewish deaths are probably the same proportion as the goy deaths. |
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Post by ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ข๐ on Nov 6, 2022 9:29:15 GMT
That total is 24,159, which is 7% of the 363,211 Jews executed. Obviously the Jews were suffering far more losses than nay other group. Thank you for those figures, Nessie most interesting. Lets look at other figures: link linkThe total losses in the Ukraine vary from 7.5 million to 13,614,000. | Year | Ukrn pop million | Jewish pop million | % pop | difference Pop million | difference Jews million | | 1940 | 41.9 | 2.7 | 6.4 |
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| | 1945 | 28.3 -34.4 | 2 | 7.5 | -14.7 -34.4 | .7 |
The population of Ukraine in 1940 was 41.9 million; after the war the boundaries changed so that must also be taken into consideration. Within the boundary 700 thousand Jews perished while a maximum of their fellow countrymen 12.9 million (subtracting Jewish death) perished. If that data is correct then 35% of goy Ukrainians died while 26% of the Jews died in WWII. Using the lower figure would of course give 19% goy deaths. In 1977 Stephan G. Prociuk estimated in a detailed analysis that Ukraine's World War II loss of population was 11 million. (Annals of the Ukrainian Academy of Arts and Sciences in the U.S., New York 1977, vol. 13 no. 35-36, p. 23-50. Subtracting the Jewish population 8.3 million goy died which give a percentage of goy deaths at 21%. What is clear is that 2 million Jewish Ukrainians survived this war. Given the huge fluctuation in the numbers of deaths the Jewish deaths are probably the same proportion as the goy deaths. You admit "if the data is correct" and conclude "probably".
I have shown you precise Nazi figures and how they show a massive disparity. Since the Nazi aim was to rid Ukraine of the Jews, but not of other Ukranians, there is circumstantial evidence to corroborate the high Jewish death figures.
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Nov 6, 2022 9:42:32 GMT
14 million Ukrainians died and you worry about 700 thousand Yids. My concern is not with the Yids but the demise of the majority.
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Post by ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ข๐ on Nov 6, 2022 9:45:13 GMT
14 million Ukrainians died and you worry about 700 thousand Yids. My concern is not with the Yids but the demise of the majority. Why do you not deny that the Nazis caused the deaths of so many Ukrainians, only the Jews?
The topic is "where did they go?" which is in reference to the Jews you claim were not being mass murdered.
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Nov 6, 2022 18:17:16 GMT
The topic is "where did they go?" which is in reference to the Jews you claim were not being mass murdered. The where did they go is another thread. This is about the war in Ukraine. I am not really interested in the fate of the Jews as they were integrated into the general population. What happened in general was a calamity. |
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