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Post by jeff8675309 on Oct 23, 2022 3:04:54 GMT
For some reason my thread on Vinnitsa got locked. I sent an e-mail to Scott requesting clarification but in the meantime here is a subject I mulled over and decided to open a general thread on. I put it here as most of the killings took place by bullets and not by gas. In any case here is general information to get us started: www.ushmm.org/information/exhibitions/online-exhibitions/special-focus/ukraineWhen I get some time Iโll add additional items to this thread. |
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Oct 23, 2022 6:24:09 GMT
The Germans lost over a million men due to partisans and their supporters; critical infrastructure was blown up or destroyed. This was total war, a war of annihilation.
In all wars the Germans military code enabled summary execution of civilian combatants; this was necessary in the Ukraine and Ostland. It was not just Jews.
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Post by Nessie on Oct 23, 2022 8:08:13 GMT
The Germans lost over a million men due to partisans and their supporters; critical infrastructure was blown up or destroyed. This was total war, a war of annihilation. In all wars the Germans military code enabled summary execution of civilian combatants; this was necessary in the Ukraine and Ostland. It was not just Jews. Why then is there denial of the mass executions of Jews? The Nazis repeatedly and consistently categorised the Jews as enemies of the state. When there were a series of explosions in Kiev, the Jews of the city were ordered to gather at Babi Yar and over 40,000 were executed. The EG reported the executions in the OSR 101. There is photographic, witness and circumstantial evidence for those executions. Yet some still deny it happened.
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Oct 23, 2022 8:10:23 GMT
The Germans lost over a million men due to partisans and their supporters; critical infrastructure was blown up or destroyed. This was total war, a war of annihilation. In all wars the Germans military code enabled summary execution of civilian combatants; this was necessary in the Ukraine and Ostland. It was not just Jews. Why then is there denial of the mass executions of Jews? The Nazis repeatedly and consistently categorised the Jews as enemies of the state. When there were a series of explosions in Kiev, the Jews of the city were ordered to gather at Babi Yar and over 40,000 were executed. The EG reported the executions in the OSR 101. There is photographic, witness and circumstantial evidence for those executions. Yet some still deny it happened.
They were rounded up and treated like other terrorists; the Einsatz were not just about Jews but securing the territory behind the lines of enemies. |
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Post by Nessie on Oct 23, 2022 8:13:41 GMT
Why then is there denial of the mass executions of Jews? The Nazis repeatedly and consistently categorised the Jews as enemies of the state. When there were a series of explosions in Kiev, the Jews of the city were ordered to gather at Babi Yar and over 40,000 were executed. The EG reported the executions in the OSR 101. There is photographic, witness and circumstantial evidence for those executions. Yet some still deny it happened.
They were rounded up and treated like other terrorists; the Einsatz were not just about Jews but securing the territory behind the lines of enemies. So you said. Why do some, FP Berg was one, deny that happened? Do you accept they were wrong and there were mass shootings in Ukraine? |
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Oct 23, 2022 8:19:49 GMT
So you said. Why do some, FP Berg was one, deny that happened? Do you accept they were wrong and there were mass shootings in Ukraine? There were mass shootings of enemy insurgents, fifth columnists and their supporters. These are the people responsible for the murders of over a million men of the Heer, SS and other axis powers. Sadly they had to be stopped and there was collateral damage. |
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Post by Nessie on Oct 23, 2022 8:34:08 GMT
So you said. Why do some, FP Berg was one, deny that happened? Do you accept they were wrong and there were mass shootings in Ukraine? There were mass shootings of enemy insurgents, fifth columnists and their supporters. These are the people responsible for the murders of over a million men of the Heer, SS and other axis powers. Sadly they had to be stopped and there was collateral damage. Do you accept that the Nazi policy was to make Ukraine "Judenfrei" and under Lebensraum, resettle Germanic people there? |
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Oct 23, 2022 9:04:03 GMT
There were mass shootings of enemy insurgents, fifth columnists and their supporters. These are the people responsible for the murders of over a million men of the Heer, SS and other axis powers. Sadly they had to be stopped and there was collateral damage. Do you accept that the Nazi policy was to make Ukraine "Judenfrei" and under Lebensraum, resettle Germanic people there? I doubt if that is much importance in an area of total war. |
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Post by Nessie on Oct 23, 2022 9:58:02 GMT
Do you accept that the Nazi policy was to make Ukraine "Judenfrei" and under Lebensraum, resettle Germanic people there? I doubt if that is much importance in an area of total war. It was very important to rid the Ukraine of enemies such as the Jews and then get Germans farming. Remember that Germany running out of resources, especially food, was a major cause of the loss of WWI.
So, again, do you accept that the Nazi policy was to make Ukraine "Judenfrei" and under Lebensraum, resettle Germanic people there? Yes or no.
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Oct 23, 2022 20:15:42 GMT
The conflict on the "Eastern Front" WWII claimed about 42.7 million lives; this was fought solely between the Russians and the Germans. Though never sending in ground troops to the Eastern Front, the Unied States and the United Kingdom both provided substantial material aid to the Soviet Union in the form of the Lend-Lease program along with naval and air support. Ukraine was needed to provide the food; this was the bread basket of the war. Ukraine was in the middle of the fighting. The Ukrainians carried at least 40% of losses of the USSR in WWII. In general, every fifth Ukrainian was killed during the Second World War. Only 3% of all those called up to military service for the summer of 1941 survived. linkThe Germans were fighting what they believed was Judeo Bolshevism which had some merit. As over a million German soldiers were murdered by partisans, those terrorists had to be brought to task and so faced the consequences. SHARGOROD is a town in Vinnitsya district Ukraine. Jewish Virtual Library says: People died in the Ukrainian SSR, but this was years before due to the Holodomor and NKVD purges; these effected all. This was the real genocide. Here are some NKVD atrocities in the Ukraine discounting Vinnytsia: Lunca massacre..February 7, 1941..February 7, 1941..over 600 Fรขntรขna Albฤ massacre..April 1, 1941...3,000 NKVD prisoner massacres in Ukraine..June 41...40,000 (70 percent of the victims were Ukrainian, 20 percent Polish, and the remainder consisted of Jews and other nationalities.) Stalin once said that history is written by the winners. As a victor, Stalinโs USSR was able to hide its genocide of Ukrainians and of course blame the Germans. |
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Oct 23, 2022 22:49:38 GMT
Ukraine lost more people in WW II than any other European country, estimated at 11 million people by Stephan G. Prociuk (Annals of the Ukrainian Academy of Arts and Sciences in the US) That is 13.9 million. According to the University of Hawaii democide table, Slavs were killed at twice the rate of the Jews.
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Post by Nessie on Oct 24, 2022 7:18:11 GMT
This thread is about the Holocaust in Ukraine in the section on the EG. Do you accept that the Nazi policy and the role of the EG, was to make Ukraine "Judenfrei" and under Lebensraum, resettle Germanic people there? Yes or no.
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Oct 24, 2022 8:33:22 GMT
This thread is about the Holocaust in Ukraine in the section on the EG. Do you accept that the Nazi policy and the role of the EG, was to make Ukraine "Judenfrei" and under Lebensraum, resettle Germanic people there? Yes or no. I will remind you of Praecepta 10: The deaths of all people are important. What appears to be happening is the Jewish deaths are somehow more important than the population. That is absurd, racist. In this instance the perceived holocaust cannot be differentiated from the mass of humanity who died whatever the cause. What Jews are trying to do is to enhance their misery at the expense of everyone else. That is a lie and I have shown it. |
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Post by jeff8675309 on Oct 24, 2022 15:31:24 GMT
Why then is there denial of the mass executions of Jews? The Nazis repeatedly and consistently categorised the Jews as enemies of the state. When there were a series of explosions in Kiev, the Jews of the city were ordered to gather at Babi Yar and over 40,000 were executed. The EG reported the executions in the OSR 101. There is photographic, witness and circumstantial evidence for those executions. Yet some still deny it happened.
They were rounded up and treated like other terrorists; the Einsatz were not just about Jews but securing the territory behind the lines of enemies. Were any of these Jews involved in the explosions? |
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Oct 24, 2022 18:33:54 GMT
Were any of these Jews involved in the explosions? |
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