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Post by 𝝥𝝰𝘇𝗴𝝻𝝸 on Oct 21, 2022 18:19:43 GMT
If the locals didn’t care or felt intimidated by Germans murdering Jews then why would there be open outrage? The Reich investigation team interviewed Jews in the area who all said that the NKVD orchestrated the atrocities, with witness statements. They were very helpful. Now if it were the Reich that did the killing in 1941 I doubt if these people would be helpful, but hide away incase they would be next.
Good now perhaps identify the uniform of the man on the left with the white shoulder coverings. You have no idea of the context of that situation except something written on the back which could be from anyone at any time. As the photo was found near Munich there are too many unknowns to justify conclusions. It is clear the Romanians shot a thousand Jews with typhus, no doubt scared soldiers would as well. The context of that photo is unknown, the best you can do is conjure scenarios. [/quote] |
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Post by jeff8675309 on Oct 21, 2022 19:09:53 GMT
If the locals didn’t care or felt intimidated by Germans murdering Jews then why would there be open outrage?The Reich investigation team interviewed Jews in the area who all said that the NKVD orchestrated the atrocities, with witness statements. They were very helpful. Now if it were the Reich that did the killing in 1941 I doubt if these people would be helpful, but hide away incase they would be next. Your link mentions Ukrainians. Why? He’s not the shooter. I know the context of what was happening in the Ukraine in 1941 and 1942. So if nothing else indicates otherwise then this is a picture of a German shooting a Jewish man. So the solution to ending a pandemic is instead of isolating and treating you shoot the lot. How humanitarian. |
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Post by 𝝥𝝰𝘇𝗴𝝻𝝸 on Oct 22, 2022 1:58:13 GMT
Your link mentions Ukrainians. Do you think Jews cannot be Ukrainians.? He is watching therefore participating. What uniform is that.? If you cannot identify then do not make assumptions. You merely "think" you know due to ingrained bias. You consider yourself a skeptic?; the witnesses tell a different story. That was the intent of aktion 14f13, the euthanasia of invalids in konzentrationslager, Zwangsarbeitslager: this was legal in the Reich but not sure about the Romanian law, considering it was the Romanians that did it. |
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Post by jeff8675309 on Oct 22, 2022 3:36:03 GMT
Your link mentions Ukrainians. Do you think Jews cannot be Ukrainians.? They weren’t identified as Jewish. I don’t particularly care who that person is. He is a witness at this point. The shooter is German. No. It’s labeled the last Jew in Vinnitsa. It’s labeled that way and Germans and their proxies were murdering Jews at that same time. No they don’t. It wasn’t legal in the Reich, it was never codified into law. German prosecutors at the time urged that this be done but it never was. If typhus isn’t universally fatal then why murder those who might recover? |
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Post by 𝝥𝝰𝘇𝗴𝝻𝝸 on Oct 22, 2022 4:36:15 GMT
Your lack of scepticism is your business; I think it shows gullibility; Jews survived the war as witnesses stated in Vinnytsia so that statement in profoundly false, designed for impact and therefore propaganda. Perhaps it is allegorical.?
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Post by been_there on Oct 22, 2022 5:16:17 GMT
Your lack of scepticism is your business; I think it shows gullibility. I think it shows wilful ignorance. He is a believer with a cult mentality. Because of his conditioning, his belief system is something he can’t analyse or question. His fall-back position is a caption written by someone he knows NOTHING about nor knows when it was written. But that doesn’t matter to him as it confirms his cult-think. He is like a Christian who thinks what is written in the Bible has absolute veracity. E.g. “Jesus walked on the water. It says that in the Bible so I have no reason to doubt it”. Not if you have faith and stubborn belief in the holy-hoax. 🙂🤪 Such empirical evidence proves this was NOT “the last Jew”. Which proves the caption is false. But such facts don’t count if you have a quasi-religious belief supported by an anti-German racist prejudice. I’ve given up discussing this with him, ռǟʐɢʊʟ. He’s only here to troll and be snide. |
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Post by Nessie on Oct 24, 2022 8:41:20 GMT
This thread is about the Holocaust in Ukraine in the section on the EG. Do you accept that the Nazi policy and the role of the EG, was to make Ukraine "Judenfrei" and under Lebensraum, resettle Germanic people there? Yes or no. I will remind you of Praecepta 10: The deaths of all people are important. What appears to be happening is the Jewish deaths are somehow more important than the population. That is absurd, racist. In this instance the perceived holocaust cannot be differentiated from the mass of humanity who died whatever the cause. What Jews are trying to do is to enhance their misery at the expense of everyone else. That is a lie and I have shown it. I am trying to get you to stay on topic and discuss the Holocaust in Ukraine in the section on the EG. You are the one repeating himself and going off topic, onto the subject of the emphasis of Jewish suffering over others, that is discussed elsewhere on the forum.
So, on topic and the role of the EG in Ukraine, do you accept that the Nazi policy and the role of the EG, was to make Ukraine "Judenfrei" and under Lebensraum, resettle Germanic people there? Yes or no.
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Post by obi45 on Apr 10, 2023 13:40:26 GMT
This is a particularly striking picture. ...When I see these pictures I can’t help but think what must be going through their mind. From The Ravine, Wendy Lower: ...a black-and-white wartime photograph ...[shows] a crowd of smiling German men, wearing uniforms indicating that they are members of various Nazi forces surround the man.”  Questions for Jeff: 1. where are the “crowd of smiling men” that were described? 2. How is it known they are all ‘German’? Perhaps it can be surmised that they are Germans because they wear various Heer, SS and civilian organization uniforms (it appears that some of the men wearing field grays lack breast eagles, insinuating they may be RAD or a related group). There is nothing to suggest they are foreign troops - and anyways, they operated under German oversight. Most of the killers were Germans in 1942. |
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Post by obi45 on Apr 10, 2023 13:42:38 GMT
It seems my last reply came out in bad format, and seeing as I don't know how to fix it, apologies to anyone who becomes confused by it.
EDIT: I fixed (I think) the formatting in the post above. If there is still a misattribution issue, please let me know. Thanks ~ Scott
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Post by jeff8675309 on Jul 17, 2023 3:24:55 GMT
It seems my last reply came out in bad format, and seeing as I don't know how to fix it, apologies to anyone who becomes confused by it. It is an odd format that I’m not really familiar with and is difficult to correct on my phone. |
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Post by 𝐒𝐜𝐨𝐭𝐭 on Jul 18, 2023 0:44:06 GMT
Questions for Jeff: 1. where are the “crowd of smiling men” that were described? 2. How is it known they are all ‘German’? Perhaps it can be surmised that they are Germans because they wear various Heer, SS and civilian organization uniforms (it appears that some of the men wearing field grays lack breast eagles, insinuating they may be RAD or a related group). There is nothing to suggest they are foreign troops - and anyways, they operated under German oversight. Most of the killers were Germans in 1942. In looking at the above photo, I find it odd that there is such a conglomeration of uniform types. Most appear to be Heer (Army). One guy in black almost looks Kriegsmarine. The guy with the pistol and eyeglasses might be an SS NCO, but his uniform seems very incomplete and we can't see much of it. Is he even wearing a shirt? Perhaps the strangest one is the guy with the wings on his shoulders. Did the Germans have a brass band nearby?  |
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Post by 𝐒𝐜𝐨𝐭𝐭 on Jul 18, 2023 1:36:43 GMT
I am rather partial to this 1968 photograph, an admirable South Vietnamese police chief executing a Viet Cong officer who had murdered a South Vietnamese general and his entire family. The pistol is a classic five-shot nickel Smith & Wesson Bodyguard .38 special with a shrouded hammer.
American photojournalist Eddie Adams won a Pulitzer Prize for the photograph. The Communist Jewess Susan Sontag, who once wrote that "the White Race is the cancer of human history," screeched that the execution was staged for the cameras. Note that under the Hague and Geneva Conventions, enemy soldiers caught in civilian clothing are illegal combatants and subject to summary execution as spies and saboteurs. I doubt that skanky Lesbo writer (((Susan Sontag))) would be mourning much about German soldiers summarily executed by the Allies. Replace the words "White Race" with "Jewish Leftists" and Sontag might have something there. Sontag actually died of cancer herself and once shacked up with that Frankfurt School subversive, Columbia University Prof. (((Herbert Marcuse))). Their ilk have indeed marched through our institutions ─ just as they said they would in the 1960s. I don't know about the man in the supposed Vinnytsia photo who was supposedly shot by a German, but it is obvious for us today that Hitler's boys unfortunately missed a few. To summarize: Leftists believe that their literal violence is dutiful freedom-of-speech, whereas for their Rightwing opponents to speak in the great marketplace-of-ideas is literally violence. |
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Post by been_there on Jul 20, 2023 14:30:15 GMT
…they wear various Heer, SS and civilian organization uniforms (it appears that some of the men wearing field grays lack breast eagles, insinuating they may be RAD or a related group). In looking at the above photo, I find it odd that there is such a conglomeration of uniform types. Most appear to be Heer (Army). One guy in black almost looks Kriegsmarine. The guy with the pistol and eyeglasses might be an SS NCO, but his uniform seems very incomplete and we can't see much of it. Is he even wearing a shirt? Perhaps the strangest one is the guy with the wings on his shoulders.
Did the Germans have a brass band nearby? Oh yeah!! 😮  |
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Post by 𝝥𝝰𝘇𝗴𝝻𝝸 on Jul 21, 2023 3:22:07 GMT
I think the image above is a fake composite as was often done. In the image above the background to the shooters left (right hand of image) has detail but the background to the right is blurred. This is clearly a composite image. In the old RODOH there was a whole section dedicated to such images. One below is duplicated again. |
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Post by 𝐒𝐜𝐨𝐭𝐭 on Jul 21, 2023 12:14:44 GMT
The guy with the girl and woman in the sepia-toned photograph above is wearing a backwards tunic; the Wehrmacht Brustvogel is on the left (wrong) side of his chest, or else there is no SS Armvogel on his left arm. He is probably holding what sort of looks like a Luger in his right hand instead of his left because the photograph is actually reversed. A pretty easy paste-in fake to spot, LOL. If you could see it better, the man's tunic buttons up on the wrong side. A man's shirt or tunic always has the buttons on the right and the button holes on the left so that the coat flap does not interfere when the man cross-draws his sword with his dominant or Dexter (right) hand from his Sinister (and presumably weaker) left-handed side. This is true of modern men's suit coats as well. I agree that the Vinnitsa photograph is a composite ─ or at the very least it is heavily retouched. When photos are tampered with enough, it becomes problematical what their evidentiary value reason is. If I remember correctly, German journalist and WWII RAD and Flakhelper, Udo Walendy was highly suspicious of this photograph. Furthermore, we just don't know much about the providence of the picture. The typical slop we get is that this came out of some unknown perpetrator's photo album, or maybe found in some unknown dead German's wallet and helpfully provided by the Allied psychological warfare services. Here is a clickable link to the photograph from the Wikipedia article that I cited above. This version appears to be uncropped, and if you open my image below it should allow you to click-enlarge it pretty good.  The photograph is described as being mixed Wehrmacht and RAD personnel. Well, the musician wearing the shoulder wings or "swallows nests" is not RAD. He has a Wehrmacht Brustvogel (breast bird) and does not have a swastika armband. He also has a rank stripe and no RAD sleeve patch which looks like a spade with a unit number on it that is positioned just above the swastika armband. The collar tabs should be silver on a dark brown or black collar. However, the guy on the extreme left does look like he is wearing an RAD uniform, except that he is wearing a garrison cap instead of a billed M1936 RAD cap like this one. Here are a couple of versions of RAD uniforms, brown and field green, with some of the other accoutrements. You can click to enlarge. In fact, all of the personnel are wearing garrison caps (pictures below) except for an older man in the center rear of the photo who appears to be wearing an M43 style of billed field or ski cap of some kind. (His eyes appear to be partially shaded.) His cap could have an RAD emblem on it or perhaps it has goggles attached. it is possible that he is wearing a swastika armband on his left arm with an RAD patch on his sleeve above the armband. In the middle of the photo there is a young guy wearing a black tunic (or perhaps a sweater) with a Brustvogel, and wearing garrison cap with either a Wehrmacht or a Kriegsmarine device on it. He could possibly be in a Panzer unit but there is not any clear insignia. As it is on a black or very dark background, the Brustvogel could be gold (Navy) or silver (Army). Another oddity is that there is only one possible rifle in the picture ─ somebody in the back on the far right, possibly wearing a Wehrmacht uniform. The guy with the pistol has collars with bright piping around them. This usually indicates a Non-Commissioned Officer, (NCO) but we can't see any other insignia so it just looks bogus to me. He might be wearing a light-colored shirt but it looks more like a T-Shirt, which seems odd. Normally a field gray or brown shirt would be worn underneath an open-collared tunic, probably with a tie. And officers might wear a white shirt with tie. So, among the "perpetrators and bystanders" I am seeing 1) possibly two RAD persons, 2) a Wehrmacht musician with shoulder wings, 3) an older guy with a cloth field cap, 4) a young guy with a black Wehrmacht or Kriegsmarine uniform, 5) Wehrmacht rifle guy, and lastly, 6) a possible SS NCO who is holding a small pistol ─ with no discernable rank insignia on his right collar, nor runes or a Deathshead on his left collar. And any possible Waffen-SS Armvogel or diamond SD badge is not visible on his left sleeve. Also, pistol man's eyeglasses don't look right for the period. |
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