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Post by Nessie on Oct 15, 2022 18:34:37 GMT
Think about it and then answer this question. Is there a prison in the world that does not search people who are to be kept there? Yes or no. What a crazy, moronic dodge!!!! ๐ฎ OF COURSE, YES!!!! That has been my point to you the whole time! My point has always been that. Jeez! Cโmon face it Nessie, you have been shown to be in error by both myself and Nazgul and are now dishonestly completely reversing your argument rather than honestly admitting that. Show me evidence of prisons that do not search prisoners on entry. All UK and US prisons certainly do. The Nazis searched all the prisoners entering their camps. Where is the prison that does not bother, so that prisoners can enter with drugs, weapons or other contraband? The links go to answers to your questions about the Allies, who I deal with individually, and primarily the British, but also the Americans. Both the British and the Americans did not steal the personal possessions of the internees when they arrived at their places of internment. The use of photographic evidence was explained to you. There is no photo of someone in a US or UK internment camp in anything other than their own clothes. There are far more photos of Jews in Nazi camps in prison uniform than there are in their own clothes. You also provided no context to the photos of Jews in Nazi camps in theri own clothes, such as had they been photographed on arrival, before being stripped of everything and being issued with uniform? I also pointed to the lack of any evidence of personal possessions being stolen, which is evidence it was not policy and that when it did happen, those involved were punished. You claim I have not provided authoritative references, so go through each reference and explain why it is not authoritative. Don't just assert, prove. Since I reference the main Allies and what happened, explain why I have not met your challenge, rather than just repeatedly asserting. You have had to drop your claim I lied about you flipping between property and possessions, after I quoted you doing exactly that. Rather than being honest and admitting you were wrong, you just try to dodge you were wrong. You have also had to back away from this claim; "You were never asked about what happened to inmates of British camps AFTER their release. How many times will you attempt to slip in that lie?" after I quoted your words and how they were very open and did not specify exactly what you were referring to. Just admit you were wrong. I see you are still dodging discussing what the Nazis did to the Jews on arrival at the camps. That is because you do not want to face that there was state approved mass theft of their property, which fits with the mass murder evidence. |
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Post by Agandaur on Oct 15, 2022 19:16:07 GMT
Show me evidence of prisons that do not search prisoners on entry. All UK and US prisons certainly do. Internment camps in the UK were not prisons. The conditions varied. |
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Post by been_there on Oct 15, 2022 21:17:53 GMT
What a crazy, moronic dodge!!!! ๐ฎ OF COURSE, YES!!!! That has been my point to you the whole time! My point has always been that. Jeez! Cโmon face it Nessie, you have been shown to be in error by both myself and Nazgul and are now dishonestly completely reversing your argument rather than honestly admitting that. You have had to drop your claim I lied about you flipping between property and possessions, after I quoted you doing exactly that. Another literally insane denial of the reality. ๐ |
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Post by Nessie on Oct 16, 2022 9:16:56 GMT
You have had to drop your claim I lied about you flipping between property and possessions, after I quoted you doing exactly that. Another literally insane denial of the reality. ๐ How so?
On page 1 you said "find out what happened to the possessions of all or any of the people arrested, transported and then incarcerated in British and American concentration camps."
On page 2 you said "You were challenged to research what happened to the property of similar incarcerations of people because of their ethnic origins." and "You idiot! The title of this topic thread is โtheft of propertyโ. You also said "YOU were invited to do some research about the treatment of the possessions of those prisoners of Britain and America..."
When I said "You flipped between property and possessions..." you replied "No I did not. So another lie."
For you to deny you did that is insane.
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Post by Nessie on Oct 16, 2022 9:20:33 GMT
Show me evidence of prisons that do not search prisoners on entry. All UK and US prisons certainly do. Internment camps in the UK were not prisons. The conditions varied. An area people are forced to go to, that they are then restricted to and is surrounded by fences, barbed wire and armed guards, is a prison. In the case of internment, the prison tends to be called a camp, a prison camp being a less permanent place of imprisonment.
To suggest the British would not search internees on arrival is nuts. The British would be well aware that internees could be trying to take in items to be used in escapes.
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Post by nazgul on Oct 16, 2022 9:24:14 GMT
Internment camps in the UK were not prisons. The conditions varied. An area people are forced to go to, that they are then restricted to and is surrounded by fences, barbed wire and armed guards, is a prison. In the case of internment, the prison tends to be called a camp, a prison camp being a less permanent place of imprisonment.
To suggest the British would not search internees on arrival is nuts. The British would be well aware that internees could be trying to take in items to be used in escapes.
The internment sites in the Isle of Man were more Ghetto than camps. People could leave during the day, work etc, get paid, but were under stricter curfew. |
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Post by Nessie on Oct 16, 2022 10:27:13 GMT
An area people are forced to go to, that they are then restricted to and is surrounded by fences, barbed wire and armed guards, is a prison. In the case of internment, the prison tends to be called a camp, a prison camp being a less permanent place of imprisonment.
To suggest the British would not search internees on arrival is nuts. The British would be well aware that internees could be trying to take in items to be used in escapes.
The internment sites in the Isle of Man were more Ghetto than camps. People could leave during the day, work etc, get paid, but were under stricter curfew. Do you think that the internees were never searched at any point prior to or on arrival at the IOM? |
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Post by nazgul on Oct 16, 2022 10:44:03 GMT
The internment sites in the Isle of Man were more Ghetto than camps. People could leave during the day, work etc, get paid, but were under stricter curfew. Do you think that the internees were never searched at any point prior to or on arrival at the IOM? As said it depends on the classification. |
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Post by Nessie on Oct 16, 2022 10:49:20 GMT
Do you think that the internees were never searched at any point prior to or on arrival at the IOM? As said it depends on the classification. Stop dodging the question, were they searched prior to entering the IOM camp? Yes or no. |
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Post by been_there on Oct 16, 2022 19:53:34 GMT
Another literally insane denial of the reality. ๐ How so? On page 1 you said "find out what happened to the possessions of all or any of the people arrested, transported and then incarcerated in British and American concentration camps."
On page 2 you said "You were challenged to research what happened to the property of similar incarcerations of people because of their ethnic origins." and "You idiot! The title of this topic thread is โtheft of propertyโ.
You also said "YOU were invited to do some research about the treatment of the possessions of those prisoners of Britain and America..." For you to deny you did that is insane. Your dishonesty is now showing extremely clearly. That you donโt understand how blatantly transparent your deceptiveness is, I regard as borderline insane. You ask โhow so?โ The answer is because I never denied I used the two words interchangeably. I just explained to you that I used the terms โpropertyโ and โpossessionsโ to refer to the EXACT SAME THING! Therefore there was no โflippingโ between different meanings. So to ignore that explanation and/or to not comprehend is what I am calling insane denial. Plus YOU yourself did the exact same thing. YOU ALSO used the term โ propertyโ to refer to possessions i.e. to refer to the same thing. So this semantic quibbling is proved to be a dishonest device you only later started using, in order to dodge the challenge and to avoid conceding error: That you switched your argument 180ยฐ regarding there being a restriction regarding what property/possessions could be kept by Allied prisoners of ethnicity, plus accuse me of flipping between two meanings when you did the same thing, is what I am calling insane denial. Do you understand yet? It was only on page 2 that you deceitfully chose to make property refer to possessions they didnโt have with them, i.e. homes, buildings and their contents: You made this false claim: โThe Nazis stole from the Jews, and the Allies did not steal from those they interredโ. rodoh.info/post/11981/thread That you wonโt openly and unconditionally admit that was wrong PLUS an argument from wilful ignorance, is what I am calling an insane level of denial. If you censor and remove this reply, it will also show how dishonest you are. |
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Post by Nessie on Oct 17, 2022 7:55:39 GMT
How so? On page 1 you said "find out what happened to the possessions of all or any of the people arrested, transported and then incarcerated in British and American concentration camps."
On page 2 you said "You were challenged to research what happened to the property of similar incarcerations of people because of their ethnic origins." and "You idiot! The title of this topic thread is โtheft of propertyโ.
You also said "YOU were invited to do some research about the treatment of the possessions of those prisoners of Britain and America..." For you to deny you did that is insane. Your dishonesty is now showing extremely clearly. That you donโt understand how blatantly transparent your deceptiveness is, I regard as borderline insane. You ask โhow so?โ The answer is because I never denied I used the two words interchangeably. I just explained to you that I used the terms โpropertyโ and โpossessionsโ to refer to the EXACT SAME THING! Therefore there was no โflippingโ between different meanings. So to ignore that explanation and/or to not comprehend is what I am calling insane denial. You flipped between the two words, without initially defining exactly what you meant. You then claimed I was lying when I pointed that out. To wriggle out of that, you are now claiming you only ever meant personal items carried to the camps, when the discussion was about more general property, which included homes and businesses. There was no lying by me, you made a mistake and typically you refuse to apologise. Me using one term "property" is not exactly the same as you using two terms "possessions" and "property".
Property is the term usually used for homes and businesses. Possessions is the term usually used for personal items. They can overlap and as you see from below, I only used the term "property", which I did as I was meaning everything from homes to personal items. When you flipped between "property" and "possessions", I took that to mean you were flipping between items such as homes and personal items, until you made it clear, you were only referring to personal items.
That is why using one term is not exactly the same as using two. You have made yet another mistake. I have already conceded my error. But my error is not a simple one of the British and Americans were seizing everything, as the Nazis seized everything from the Jews. My error was thinking the Allies seized nothing. I see now that the British and Americans did seize businesses, though it is not clear to what extent, especially when there was joint ownership, and on one occasion some personal possessions were seized by British military, which was not policy and those involved were court-martialled. It is also not clear what happened to housing. The British had released most internees by 1942, so, did they go back to their houses, or had they been seized? I though release was evidence they had kept their houses, but I will wait for more evidence to see if that was the case. I also do not know for sure about the American situation. Yet again I have shown my openness to new evidence and how I will revise my position, when presented with new evidence. Bizarrely, since you constantly demand that I revise my thinking, you then criticise me for doing that! You are dodging discussing those issues further, because it means comparing what the Allies did, with what the Nazis did. It is evidenced that the Nazis stole everything, from business to homes, all the way to underwear and gold teeth. You are dodging that scale of theft was due to the Nazis never expecting to see the Jews again, which fits in with the mass murder evidence. That is why you censor that part of the debate by cutting it out of all your replies to me. |
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Post by Nessie on Oct 21, 2022 7:30:17 GMT
Thread bump, for been-there, to deal with this point; you are dodging that scale of theft was due to the Nazis never expecting to see the Jews again, which fits in with the mass murder evidence. That is why you censor that part of the debate by cutting it out of all your replies to me.
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