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Post by Nessie on Jan 23, 2022 18:25:27 GMT
.... I think most people are honest enough and intelligent enough to recognise that the accepted narrative initially was that ALL the major Axis concentration camps were places where Jews were murdered by gas in homicidal gas chambers. Experts are now forced to admit that that was and is a deliberately FALSE allegation that amazingly many people who are only dimly aware of the holocaust mythology, still are under the spell of to this day.... Historians are not being forced to admit anything. As claims were checked, such as the claims most camps had gas chambers, many of those claims were dismissed as unevidenced. As new evidence has appeared, historians revise. What is notable, but dodged by revisionists, is that no evidence has been found, despite decades of searching, including by some revisionists who have made the effort to access archives, of any alternative to the mass gassing narrative for the AR camps, Chelmno or A-B. All that has happened, is that the narrative around those places has been further confirmed by the evidence. |
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Post by Venatỏr on Jan 23, 2022 18:49:27 GMT
Historians are not being forced to admit anything. As claims were checked, such as the claims most camps had gas chambers, many of those claims were dismissed as unevidenced. As new evidence has appeared, historians revise. What is notable, but dodged by revisionists, is that no evidence has been found, despite decades of searching, including by some revisionists who have made the effort to access archives, of any alternative to the mass gassing narrative for the AR camps, Chelmno or A-B. All that has happened, is that the narrative around those places has been further confirmed by the evidence. If it were not for the work of Dr Charles Larsen, the narrative that every camp gassed jews would still be discussed today. The remaining 6 camps are still unevidenced clap trap, kept there for expediency. The mantra of no alternative to mass murder is asinine. It appears that the love of mass murder is so ingrained that no attempts have been found to discuss the reality of the people who transited east. There were over 600 eastern camps, all said before. Saying that something is confirmed without presenting adequate evidence of this is just as asinine, mere words, no substance. |
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Post by Nessie on Jan 23, 2022 19:48:35 GMT
Historians are not being forced to admit anything. As claims were checked, such as the claims most camps had gas chambers, many of those claims were dismissed as unevidenced. As new evidence has appeared, historians revise. What is notable, but dodged by revisionists, is that no evidence has been found, despite decades of searching, including by some revisionists who have made the effort to access archives, of any alternative to the mass gassing narrative for the AR camps, Chelmno or A-B. All that has happened, is that the narrative around those places has been further confirmed by the evidence. If it were not for the work of Dr Charles Larsen, the narrative that every camp gassed jews would still be discussed today. The remaining 6 camps are still unevidenced clap trap, kept there for expediency. The mantra of no alternative to mass murder is asinine. It appears that the love of mass murder is so ingrained that no attempts have been found to discuss the reality of the people who transited east. There were over 600 eastern camps, all said before. Saying that something is confirmed without presenting adequate evidence of this is just as asinine, mere words, no substance. OK, so please evidence that Larsen denied that any mass gassings had taken place in any Nazi camp and that he was responsible, alone, for debunking claims about gassings.
It makes no sense that you claim asking for evidence of an alternative to gassings is asinine, and then you demand evidence.
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Post by Venatỏr on Jan 23, 2022 21:35:24 GMT
OK, so please evidence that Larsen denied that any mass gassings had taken place in any Nazi camp and that he was responsible, alone, for debunking claims about gassings. It makes no sense that you claim asking for evidence of an alternative to gassings is asinine, and then you demand evidence. Once Larsen had shown that no person had been gassed but died of disease the claims of gassing in the Western sphere of influence were dropped. What remains were the areas of the Eastern areas of Soviet influence, which still remain today as centres of gassing. The reasons for this are probably multiple, but the effects of the Iron curtain, Soviet subterfuge and skulduggery all come to mind. |
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 23, 2022 22:02:53 GMT
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Meanwhile, the US Army propagandists had been busily constructing a gas chamber at Dachau. Larson blew the gas chamber fable out of the water and the propagandists were left with a fake gas chamber and the grotesque excuse that there was a gas chamber at Dachau but it had never been used.
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Post by Venatỏr on Jan 23, 2022 22:09:22 GMT
Venator wrote: Meanwhile, the US Army propagandists had been busily constructing a gas chamber at Dachau. Larson blew the gas chamber fable out of the water and the propagandists were left with a fake gas chamber and the grotesque excuse that there was a gas chamber at Dachau but it had never been used. Where there is no gas chamber when there should be one, the solution is to build one. Doesn't matter if it is fake. |
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Post by Nessie on Jan 24, 2022 10:15:33 GMT
OK, so please evidence that Larsen denied that any mass gassings had taken place in any Nazi camp and that he was responsible, alone, for debunking claims about gassings. It makes no sense that you claim asking for evidence of an alternative to gassings is asinine, and then you demand evidence. Once Larsen had shown that no person had been gassed but died of disease the claims of gassing in the Western sphere of influence were dropped. What remains were the areas of the Eastern areas of Soviet influence, which still remain today as centres of gassing. The reasons for this are probably multiple, but the effects of the Iron curtain, Soviet subterfuge and skulduggery all come to mind. Evidence he was a Holocaust denier and he alone caused the claims about most of gassings at western camps to be dropped. Bear in mind historians claim that gassings took place at Natzweiler-Struthof and Neuengamme, so not all western camps were found to have not gassed prisoners. |
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 24, 2022 11:58:02 GMT
Larson was a pathologist and found no evidence of anyone dying from the effects of poisonous gas. He performed over 1,000 autopsies. He even sent tissue samples to France for more in depth analysis for evidence of poison gas. Nothing was found. Zip, zero, nada.
A fake gas chamber was built at Dachau and a sign was posted that the gas chamber had never been used to kill anyone. At least the sign was there until very recently.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 24, 2022 12:55:05 GMT
Larson was a pathologist and found no evidence of anyone dying from the effects of poisonous gas. He performed over 1,000 autopsies. He even sent tissue samples to France for more in depth analysis for evidence of poison gas. Nothing was found. Zip, zero, nada. A fake gas chamber was built at Dachau and a sign was posted that the gas chamber had never been used to kill anyone. At least the sign was there until very recently.
Which proves that from the start, many Allied investigators doubted many of the claims about gassings and actively disproved them. Hence, the question of what is the Holocaust has been challenged and revised since the very earliest reports.
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Post by been_there on Jan 24, 2022 12:55:30 GMT
What is the holocaust? Amazingly it is a mythology claiming a war-time genocide of 6 million or 11 million people (take your pick) that WAS supposed to have predominantly used the mass-murder weapon of poisonous gas... but, erm... that appears to be changing. It is a war-time mass-gassing narrative that appears to be based on some exaggerated truth that was created as ‘atrocity propaganda’ during the largest ever world war, It is an allegation of humongous mass-murder by gassing that amazingly can not be evidenced and yet is still believed, promoted, fictionalised and dramatised for TV and the cinema and taught to impressionable schoolchildren as historical fact. Despite its core claims of millions gassed and dissappeared being refuted by the scientific analysis, ‘the holocaust’ mass-gassing mythos has the unique distinction of being an eighty years old ‘history’ which is STILL protected from investigation, revision and critical analysis by law!! Promoters of ‘the holocaust’ narrative have always relied heavily on the emotional appeal of parading ‘survivors’ of the alleged genocide to ill-informed audiences, courts, class-rooms, etc., claiming that these people must make sure everyone should not only believe their often preposterous anecdotes but should NEVER FORGET their often impossible claims. Now the last of these ‘survivors’ — who were children at the time that what later was called ‘the holocaust’ — are dying. This may result in a major overhaul of its core ‘mass-gassing’ credos. This being because it is a historiography built upon many, many individual ‘survivor’ testimonies that even the so-called ‘survivor eye-witnesses’ themselves regard as so unbelievable that they have to explain their survival as supernatural; i.e. as many, many miracles. You would think that some of the Jewish people and their relatives who DID survive the often terrible suffering and persecution that Jews and Jewish communities experienced during that internecine conflict would protest and object to their very real hardship, loss and bereavement being so cheapened and distorted. Curiously, apparently not. Ludicrous ‘ Miracle’ stories would appear to be welcomed and celebrated! 😮🤔     |
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