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Post by Turnagain on Dec 31, 2021 15:42:42 GMT
been-there wrote:
LOL! The German 8mm or 7.92X57 round was a very stout full size rifle round. A shovel blade would offer about as much protection from it as a couple of sheets of newspaper.
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Post by been_there on Dec 31, 2021 16:25:38 GMT
been-there wrote: LOL! The German 8mm or 7.92X57 round was a very stout full size rifle round. A shovel blade would offer about as much protection from it as a couple of sheets of newspaper. But ...but...but... it was a miracle! Donโt you believe in all the holycaust miracles? ๐ฎ [๐]
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Post by Turnagain on Dec 31, 2021 16:39:19 GMT
Well, perhaps not a miracle. Just a dud round.
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Post by Ulios on Jan 2, 2022 20:00:12 GMT
Venator has given a break down of the jewish population numbers as follows: linkEuropean Jews (million) | Event | No. Millions | Remaining |
| 1939 |
| 9.5 | 9.5 | natural attrition | 1.90 | 7.6 | 7.6 | Soviet transports | 0.63 | 6.97 | 6.97 | Emigration | 0.53 | 6.44 | 6.44 | fleeing | 0.50 | 5.94 | 5.94 | remaining | 3.8 | 2.14 |
Which shows 2.14 million Jews left under Reich control during the period in question. (Holocaust Period). It was calculated by Trolljegeren on the old forum (2) that if Jewish deaths were represented as a proportion of the total number who died in WWII this would amount to 1.2 million anyhow (civilians and soldiers). Been-there has shown here that the Jewish world population did not decrease during that period. Tables etc were altered at a later date to conform with the narrative of 6 million dead. These tables are all compiled by Jews and published by Jews. The table above shows that 2.14 million Jews remained unaccounted for, except for the fact that hundreds of thousands were in Birkenau, similar numbers were in the 260 Belarus camps and ghettos, the Channel Islands, in the 650 camps in Poland and of course the Kaiswerwald camp system in Latvia. This is no proof that Jews were not murdered (gas, bullets or otherwise) but if the involuntary euthanazia program is considered murder then the supporters may have a point. While Aktion 14f13 was not designed to eliminate Jews, it was designed to rid the world of the sick and elderly, useless eaters about to die anyhow. The Jews of the time were an aging population, prone to ailments; with the deprivations of war and disease they would be more likely than most to be chosen for involuntary euthanasia. This is well evidenced by the Sobibor survivors who saw their "Grannies" put onto tippers nd others at Treblinka. There are reports of whole trainloads of the near dead arriving at various camps, notably the AR camps. The question the officers had to make is what to do with a train load of near dead, typhus ridden dinosaurs from places like Corfu. I do not think they had a choice. To the survivors of those transports and others watching it would appear to be like "hell on earth", jews being the target. Of course Aktion 14f13 is not the Holocaust. The Holocaust cannot be 6 million if only the European Jews are considered as it is only 2.14 million not accounted for, albeit scattered around. The Soviet Jews not considered European are included; these were partisans for the most, terrorists working behind the scenes to disrupt Werhmacht progression. As guerilla fighters they faced summary justice meted out by the Einsaztgruppen. The rules were thrown out the window. If 15 thousand European Jews underwent involuntary euthanazia would this constitude a holocaust? It is certainly a crime by modern standards. Is the death by negligence a Holocaust?; no water for days in long distance transports. It is made clear that the Holocaust is not equated with Genocide any more than common brandy is not "cognac". How many dead Jews does it make to claim Holocaust status?
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Post by been_there on Jan 4, 2022 12:19:57 GMT
Q: WHAT IS THE HOLOCAUST? A: A succession of many, many miracles.
Many tales by โH-survivorsโ come from people who seem to genuinely believe that they only remained alive โ despite being fed, housed and cared for by the Germans in concentration camps for months or years โ due to numerous โmiraclesโ.
The unevidenced โgenocideโ allegation is presumably what makes them all believe they are examples of miraculous โsurvivalโ.
One such miracle being claimed here is that this โsurvivorโ and her mother only โ... avoided being taken on a death march because she and her mother overslept and were left behindโ. ๐๐คฆโโ๏ธ
Plus she claims she and her mother were paraded nude before the ubuiquitous Dr. Mengele (yeah sure!) and her mother was selected by him to be gassed. But, but, but... she survived. She wasnโt gassed. Wow!! But... How? How did she survive being selected and taken away with those others selected for gassing? No explanation is given other than it was a โmiracleโ.
And the TV hosts not only accept this nonsense, they are deeply respectful and obsequious.
Itโs psychotic behaviour from all involved: the โsurvivorโ, her mother, the TV hosts, the TV programme editor, the TV channel executives, the Daily Mail editor, the journalist, the photo researcher, etc., etc., etc. You donโt get some person allowed on prime-time TV to spout obvious anti-German, racist nonsense and then get that repeated in a main-stream newspaper, without a great many, many people accepting that nonsense.
This is a sign of societal psychosis and mass-delusion!
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Post by Agandaur on Jan 16, 2022 19:00:23 GMT
According to this write the Holocaust is not just about the murder of Jews. Dr Terry said:
So the people who for generations have been shown photos of Belsen bulldozing bodies, listening to Wiesels 6 million dead jews plus 5 million goy murdered are now unreflective.
Gibson follows this up with the reflective statement:
Gibson like I and others have noticed how Dr Terry is morphing the meaning of Holocaust for his own alleged purposes.
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Post by been_there on Jan 16, 2022 19:47:31 GMT
According to this writer, the Holocaust is not just about the murder of Jews. Dr Terry said: So the people who for generations have been shown photos of Belsen bulldozing bodies, listening to Wiesels 6 million dead jews plus 5 million goy murdered are now unreflective. Gibson follows this up with the reflective statement:Gibson like I and others have noticed how Dr Terry is morphing the meaning of Holocaust for his own alleged purposes. How fascinating! ๐ So Dr. Terry thinks my misconception was having โthe idea that the Holocaust meant killingโ!!!๐คฃ Oh boy! ๐คฆโโ๏ธ I once wrote a satirical spoof on the holocaust narrative being updated like a computer operating system in order to keep abreast of historical advances and to still be credible to its target audience. Anyone interested can read that here. And I see from the link Agandaur provided that Nick Terry has just made quite a collosal misrepresentation of both: 1. what caused me to reassess my position on this quasi-religous, cult-like belief-system , and 2. my prior understanding before that reassessment. Deeply fascinating! It seems to me to show another clear sign that belief in this narrative requires the dishonest tactics of strawman misrepresentation, and ad homimem attack of the actual revisionist arguments that are undermining and refuting that belief. Tactics which in my experience are quite a common reaction from people who are attached to a belief in a cult-like way. Something I also wrote about here (โ Cultish-belief that relies on censorship and ad hominemโ and here (โ Leaving the cult of Hโ) which Nick Terry presumably read. So the following misrepresentation by him I think also fits THIS topic here ( link) extremely well. I am referring to his misrepresentation of a). my own approach as โdenialโ when it isnโt, b.) misrepresenting my first encounter with a holocaust survivor in person, and c.) his own inadvertent acknowledgement that the holocaust narrative as it has been indoctrinated into the masses is both inaccurate and in need of amending. Here is what this professional indoctrinator wrote: Ironically, this does rather reinforce the subject of this other topic-thread. Namely, that attitudes and understandings ARE definitely changing.
And it appears to be changing especially amongst those at the cutting edge of indoctrinating new generations into the finer details of this pseudo-historical narrative. They deep-down know, I think, that the revisionist arguments are credible and backed up by the empirical evidence (or lack of it supporting the traditional H-narrative). They therefore have to subsume the resulting cognitive dissonance which that causes them, by: 1.) misrepresenting the messengers (as neo-Nazis, anti-semites! deniers, etc.,) 2.) subtly and self-deludingly amending what they believe to avoid an embarrassing, humiliating and identity-destroying climb-down. So what exactly is โthe holocaustโ now?According to Dr. Terry, it apparently is no longer the โbeliefโ that it describes the attempt to exterminate ALL Jews resulting in the mass-murder of 6 million of them. As according to what he has written here, the โholocaustโ narrative as he now presents it, no longer โ emphasises exterminationโ! ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ฎ And if โ absorbing the idea that the holocaust meant killingโ, is now seen by professional holocaust-history experts as a โmisconceptionโ what does that now leave us with? Without โkillingโ โ or more specifically the allegation of a systematic mass-murder of miliions in gas chambers โ what exactly is โthe holocaustโ now?! ๐ค
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Post by Ulios on Jan 17, 2022 20:02:43 GMT
Without โkillingโ โ or more specifically the allegation of a systematic mass-murder of miliions in gas chambers โ what exactly is โthe holocaustโ now?! ๐ค The Holocaust appears to be what any individual wishes it to be. Nessie is still fixated on his gaskammers, while Dr Terry has quite a different rendition. Here Jeff (numbers) is speaking about deniers: This presupposes that all of the holocaust proponents are on the same page or holocaust version. Which version are the Holocaust Deniers denying? Goody concentrates on the camp situation with: There is a thread on camps in Nessies space to discuss this, but those with normal intelligence understands what the route of a civilisation means. The point is they do not have a functioning definition of the "holocaust"; there are so many versions. Of course Nessie will claim there are "core" elements (gassing of course), all corroborated; of course merely saying this does not make it any more true than saying people saw Santa. It is interesting that none of the supporters acknowledge the natural mortality rate which is just under 2 million over that period. Somehow all this is part of the holocaust; the birth rate was close to nil. At the most only about 2.4 million people are unaccounted for but this loss is no more than the other population losses in war time. 80 million were killed in this war, with a huge number of displaced people. The displacement of a few million Jews really is nothing in the scheme of things.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 17, 2022 20:16:04 GMT
If Nazi policy had been the removal by emigration or expulsion of the Jews, it would have been considered a cruel and scandalous policy, akin to ethnic cleansing, that would have caused horrific hardship. If that policy had included the use of the Jews as forced labourers during the war, that would have also been considered a horrific crime against a specific group of people. Even without the mass killings, the Nazi policies laid out in the Nuremberg laws and the expulsions and forced labour, would have been considered a c rime against humanity.
Most (all?) revisionists do not deny that there was a policy to remove the Jews and their use as forced labour. The denial is about the mass killings, in particular the gassings.
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 17, 2022 20:33:18 GMT
Nessie wrote:
Throughout history, Jews have been expelled 109 times from different countries. The Jews and Nessie claim that it was always the fault of the goyim and had nothing to do with the Jew's behavior. Gee, imagine that, "109 crimes against humanity".
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