Turnagain's lies. A thread to dump any post he lies in.

LOL! That's a good 'un, Nessie. Rajchman and Wiernik DID say that the dragline exhumed the bodies. Wiernik called the dragline both a machine and an excavator, not a dragline which is the proper term. I don't recall what Rajchman called it. I've said on numerous occasions that Wiernik called the dragline a "machine" and a "excavator".

The context was Nessie had claimed that the dragline only uncovered the graves but didn't exhume any bodies. He claimed that the sonderkommandos exhumed the cadavers and transported them to the crematory grates. I quoted Wiernik as saying that the dragline could lift up to 3,000 cadavers at once. Wiernik called the dragline both a machine and an excavator in his quote. He didn't call it a dragline, the proper term for it but Wiernik was talking about the M&H dragline.

Nessie had just been shown that a clamshell wouldn't be capable of exhuming whole bodies so was claiming that the clamshell equipped dragline hadn't engaged in exhuming the cadavers from the mass graves. Wiernik, of course, claimed that the dragline (excavator, seilbagger, whatever) did in fact exhume the cadavers. So did Rajchman. The notion of over 700,000 cadavers being mashed, sliced, diced, folded and spindled into a mass of blood, guts and bones before being placed on a grate made from railroad rails and cremated with essentially no fuel is beyond ludicrous.

Nessie is trying to hold on to the fiction that I called him a liar for calling the dragline an excavator. That is utter nonsense. I didn't call him a liar for calling the dragline an excavator or for any other name. I'm indifferent to whatever name Nessie wants to attach to the M&H dragline.

Nessie didn't get called a liar for saying that the M&H dragline was an excavator. He's perfectly welcome to call that piece of machinery what ever he likes. I called Nessie a liar for claiming that the dragline/excavator/whatever didn't exhume the cadavers from the mass graves.

Nazgul wrote:

Yep, Nessie has lost the debate and is deliberately curtailing it. He knows that I don't give one shrill hoot in hell about what he calls the M&H dragline. I called him a liar when he attempted to claim that the whatever you want to call it only uncovered the graves and didn't actually exhume the cadavers. The dragline uncovered the mass graves and the sonderkommandos performed the exhumations.

All of Nessie's smoke and horse frocky about what he called an excavator is just him trying to cover up his claim that the dragline had no part in exhuming the cadavers. Nessie lied and got called on it and is now trying to hide his lie. Same as he got called on his claim that Gley's tale of the crematory grate was corroborated by other witnesses. Same as his lie of omission concerning the academics who DON'T agree with the conventional narrative of the holyhoax.

Wiernik and Rajchman both described impossibilities. Exhuming cadavers with a a clamshell isn't going to result in whole cadavers being placed on the crematory grates. Using a clamshell to exhume the cadavers will result in a mash-up of mangled cadavers. I posted two different videos of clamshell equipped Menck and Hambrock draglines showing just how that would happen. You then attempted to claim that the dragline/excavator/clamshell or whatever name you can dream up for a dragline wasn't used to exhume the cadavers.

Now you're claiming that Wiernik and Rajchman told the truth about how the dragline (excavator, clamshell, etc.) exhumed the cadavers from the mass graves. Wiernik and Rajchman both lied about seeing a clamshell exhuming the cadavers. That over 700,000 cadavers were first chopped and mangled into a bloody stew of meat, blood and guts before being placed on a grate constructed from railroad rails is utterly ludicrous. It has absolutely nothing to do with what names are attached to the draglines.

Nessie wrote:

In Nessie's opinion there's no successful dissenting opinion. Of course Nessie's opinion is all that matters in holyhoax la-la land. All else must be disregarded. In holyhoax la-la land Nessie's opinion is the supreme law of the land.

Of course Wiernik and Rajchman called the dragline an excavator. What does that have to do with you claiming that the draglines being used only to uncover the graves while the sonderkommandos exhumed the cadavers and carried them to the crematory grates?

LOL! Nessie is placing my replies in his archive. It's as close as he can get to full on censorship. Hey, ya' gotta' work with what ya' got.