Jüdische Zwangsarbeit.

Jüdische Zwangsarbeit. Sept 30, 2022 2:08:19 GMT been_there likes this

Post by nazgul on Sept 30, 2022 2:08:19 GMT

Jüdische Zwangsarbeit. Jewish Forced Labour (Judenlagers)

The Reich employed 13.5 million foreign laborers during the war, though the greatest was in 1941 with 7.6 million; this included Jews. The workforce was paid though this was a pittance in some cases.

Between 1933 and 1945, das nationalsozialistische regime established a system of crime sites throughout Europe. In addition to concentration camps, sites termed “labour reformatory camps,“ “camps for the protection of juveniles“ and “police detention camps“ were erected, although the living conditions in these camps differed very little from those in the concentration camps.
So far over 3600 sites have been recorded. For the first time, various maps that visually present the topography of persecution were created based on collected facts.
www.deutschland-ein-denkmal.de/ded/start

I have discussed this previously to some extent here in the Malkinia thread.

There were at least:

1030 Judenlagers in Poland
123 Judenlagers in Ostland and Ukraine
50 Judenlagers Austria for Hungarian Jews

Here are the images of the Judenlagers or Jüdische Zwangsarbeitlagers by the years 1939 - 1945. One should consider the following:

The flow eastwards of the camps and then the retreat to the west as the Soviets advanced.
An average of 2000 inmates (häftling) in 3600 camps amounts to 7.2 million people. The number of judenlagers are 1203 which would hold 2.4 million Jews

It is clear from the Sobibor survivors that people arrived and left in droves except for those "aktioned" under 14F13 or concentration camp euthanasia.

The women were taken away on the same train that had brought them there. Jetje had not been able to get a clear picture of the camp. ‘We didn’t know what Sobibor actually was. Jetje and Sientje Veterman

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It is clear that these people were very mobile moving from one camp to another as work was needed, so the actual inmate population would be less.

It is not clear whether the authors of the documents included the Schmeldt and Todt organizations; most likely not as a considerable number of Jews worked in the Channel Islands, which are not included. The data does not include some

konzentrationslager or youth camps even though those in the Kaiserwald and Birkenau had a considerable Jewish population.

Here are the camps during the duration of the war:

1939

1940

1941

1942

1943

1944

1945

JAN PECZKIS puts it nicely when he wrote:

In the standard Holocaust supremacist narrative, all the Jews were to be put to death, and this oft-repeated allegation is used to elevate the Holocaust over all other genocides. We are often told that those Jews that did not die in Nazi gas chambers or before firing squads got to die by starvation and overwork in forced labor.

In fact "Mark Spoerer and Jochen Fleischhacker" (2002. POPULATION STUDIES 56(1)5-21) concluded 307 thousand Jewish forced Laborers survived the war. They made an interesting note that all the Jewish laborers got compensated post war as opposed to about half of the Polish Laborers.
Spoerer & Fleischhacker state:

in terms of compensation monies received, is staggering! The 75,000 eligible Jewish forced laborers obtained 28,324 DM (Deutschmarks) per head. By contrast, 36,000 Polish forced laborers only got 15,000 DM per head, while the vast majority of Polish forced laborers (that is 175,000) got a meager 7,889 DM per head.

Jüdische Zwangsarbeit. Dec 6, 2022 21:57:32 GMT

Post by nazgul on Dec 6, 2022 21:57:32 GMT

Die Stundenplanregelung und Zwangsarbeitslager

Closely associated with Zwangarbeitslager are method of transports to and from the camps. While walking, carts and trucks have been mentioned the most common method was trains; these are the infamous "transports".

People left the Sobibor camp by such transports to work in various labour camps. Alex Cohen stated in 1947.

The men were immediately separated from the women and children. The camp SS called out they needed workers and Cohen volunteered as a metal worker. He and the other selected men were herded back onto the train and transported to the Lublin-Majdanek camp. link

Various train schedules (Die Fahrplananordnung) have been presented as evidence that transports to Treblinka is evidence of mass arrivals at that end point location. This of course begs the question of what happened to all these thousands of people; the conclusion being they were all murdered. Here is an example of "Die Fahrplananordnung".

This is the return transport from Sedziszow to Treblinka (💀). The Radom district had 3 camps, those camps being at Sedziszow; this is the starting point of Fahrplananordnung Nr 587. Sedziszow had a Labour camp for Jews (Zwangarbeitslager), the starting location closed in late 42 at about the same time as the Fahrplananordnung Nr 587 document dated 23 September 1942 and when Treblinka was apparently in full swing gassing every Jew.

This journey took 19 hours and 6 minutes. On the way there were stops. Lets us examine these and the duration.

Sedziszow - Kielce- 2h 38m- stopped 59 minutes
Kielce - Skarzyksko-1h 46m- stopped 62 minutes
Skarzyksko - Radom- 1h 20m- stopped 25 minutes
Radom - Deblin - 2h 02m- stopped 40 minutes
Deblin - Lukow- 2h 07m- stopped 51 minutes
Lukow - Siedlce- 50m- stopped 96 minutes
Siedlce - 💀

It has been argued by some that the trains stopped to allow other trains to pass through, but there are railway sidings on these routes as at Barowiec. Any train traveller knows that these stops are a matter of a few minutes. It could also be argued that the train needed fuel and water. However, coal-and-water stations can load a tender with 24 tons of coal and 15,000 gallons of water in as little as four minutes.

Deutschland-ein-denkmal.de have compiled a list of the various camps during the war, including Zwangarbeitslager. Here are locations of interest related to Fahrplananordnung Nr 587. This transport document is dated 23 September 1942, 50 freight cars, 2 passenger cars.
These are the Zwanbgarbeitslager für Juden on that route.

Sedziszow... 1 Zwangarbeitslager
Kielce...8 Zwangarbeitslager
Skarzysko...1 Zwangarbeitslager 8000 inmates
Radom...3 Zwangarbeitslager
Deblin...6 Zwangarbeitslager
Lukow...
Siedlce...6 Zwangarbeitslager
Treblinka...3 Zwangarbeitslager (men and women + Judenlager)

In 1942 it is reported several transports with prisoners arrived at the camp in Skarzysko, including about 2,000 Jews from Kielce and about 500 from Checiny, in March and November from Plaszów and then about 1,900 from Majdanek, in early March 1944 about 1,600 from the Lodz ghetto. Also in March, a transport from Plaszów with around 2,000 prisoners arrived at the camp.

Treblinka was the end point of many transports, the trains coming from two directions. Interestingly the other direction (via Malkinia) transport documents also contain many stops at Labour camps for about an hour. While it is possible that transports did arrive at Treblinka without significant stops these are not recorded. All Fahrplananordnung presented as evidence of death transports show significant stopping periods at Labour camps for Jews. These documents appear to show transports from labour camp to labour camp with the Treblinka destination being the men and women camps including the Judenlagers. Judenlagers were isolation camps to prevent Jew mingling with others.

The inmates who arrived at Treblinka would have no idea of who got in and out of the cars, as these were sealed; to claim they did not see anyone get out is true but then again they saw nothing except their own space and the people within. While not lying they were not in a position to know anything substantial. The freight cars destined for Treblinka are likely to have been closest to the engine, the last wagons to be shunted off.