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Post by Alonso on Sept 15, 2022 21:59:08 GMT
I just stumbled upon a forum of sorts (I think they call it "space") about the holohoax in Quora, which I found most surprising. It can be found here:
Quora is a mainstream website, currently it's #60 of the most visited websites in the world, so one would expect it to have a strict policy of censorship of anything related to the holohoax. As you would expect from any mainstream website, Quora has the standard censorship policy (no "holocaust denying" allowed). Indeed, it was thanks to Quora that I learned first hand about the holohoax censorship a few years back, when I first started to get suspicious about the whole thing and I started to ask questions. Which makes me wonder if this forum (or space, or whatever is called) is legit.
Interestingly, the forum is run by someone who claims to be a Jew and a descendant of "holocaust survivors". This might be part of the reason this forum is allowed to exist. A casual reading of the contents of the forum suggests they address the right topics: lack of mass graves, contradiction between the holohoax claims and the evolution of the Jewish population of Europe, physical impossibility of the cremations, etc. The admin of the forum claims that nationalsocialists "were the epitome of evil", but that doesn't really bother me. It makes sense to make some concessions to the emotional bullshit in order to be able to stay online on a mainstream platform and keep telling the facts straight.
Still, there's something about this forum that doesn't sit well with me, something feels a bit shady. Maybe it's just my instinct to distrust anything that comes from the mainstream media, I don't know. So what do you think? Is this legit?
EDIT: When I first created this post I forgot to mention the name of the forum I'm talking about. Understandably that led to confusion in the first answers, making others think that I was asking about Quora as a whole, rather than this specific forum inside Quora.
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Sept 15, 2022 23:20:14 GMT
Still, there's something about this forum that doesn't sit well with me, something feels a bit shady. Maybe it's just my instinct to distrust anything that comes from the mainstream media, I don't know. So what do you think? Is this legit Trust your instincts. Read what they have to say link but don't engage. It seems that they have no idea what the holocaust is and how it differs from genocide; it is emotional rant. We here discuss aspects of this alleged holocaust, not deny it due to the fact that there are many anomalies, many conflicting stories. It is the attention to detail such as the location of Treblinka from the train journey times and analysis of maps. Some members in the link above consider it sacrilege to question such anomalies using the word anti Semitic to cover obvious fabrications just as a criminal black person uses racism to cover his crimes. It is clear that many Jews were treated badly by the Germans and worse by the Soviets; many died of neglect in both situations and disease, some were murdered; these were individual actions by enlisted men not state policy; war crimes indeed. I am of the view that the gassing atrocity claims were aktion 14f13, invalid disposal; the Sobibor reports scream of this; a few oldies snuffed while the others were selected, put back on the trains and moved on. In my view the snuffing of the oldies is cruel but in a war they would have died any how. Perhaps this was a favor The hoaxers use the word "denier" to stop any refutation of anomalies; this is what "flipper" does as well. There was genocide, that is obvious due to the segregation of the sexes with no birth rate. Genocide does not imply mass murder but the extinction of a population by any means. The term genocide and holocaust are two different beasts. |
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Sept 16, 2022 1:16:04 GMT
In the link I gave here is an example of pure ignorance; this is about Anne Frank.
This was by jรผdin ER Mikulincer whose grandmother survived Auschwitz. I was hoping someone would reply and say that young Anne died of typhus having been sent away from Auschwitz. In early 1945, a typhus epidemic spread through the Belsen camp, killing 17,000 prisoners. Of course the implication from all the videos was that these people were gassed.
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Post by Turnagain on Sept 16, 2022 1:38:13 GMT
Nazgul wrote:
The Quora holyhoax topic is like the Klown's forum just more stupid. Nothing there for any revisionists.
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Post by thegodfather on Sept 16, 2022 1:46:12 GMT
Muehlenkamp writes there.
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Post by Alonso on Sept 16, 2022 3:28:15 GMT
Read what they have to say link but don't engage. The Quora holyhoax topic is like the Klown's forum just more stupid. Nothing there for any revisionists. I just read again my initial post and realized that it was completely confusing. I didn't mean to ask about the Quora website as a whole, I know that's essentially holohoax territory. I meant to ask only about a forum of sorts created within Quora called Holocaust Forensics: holocaustforensics.quora.com/It is only within that forum that there seems to be some valid revisionist material. Looks like I was a bit absent minded when I wrote my initial post and I didn't even mention the name of the forum. Sorry about that. I have amended my initial post to clarify this. |
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Sept 16, 2022 4:25:00 GMT
I like the name but I do not think it will last long considering the CEO of Quora is Adam D'Angelo who was born in a Jewish family in New York.
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Post by ๐๐๐จ๐ญ๐ญ on Sept 16, 2022 8:41:58 GMT
Generally speaking, I don't like Quora because the answers are very often incredibly boneheaded โ with anybody pretending to be an expert somehow posting answers, some with obvious biases. I find this quite often regarding aspects of WWII history โ so it has extremely limited value, in my opinion. Even Wikipedia is better. I browsed around the Holocaust Forensics site in question but I am not convinced that any discussion that might touch on "Existential" questions about the Holocaust will not just be banned outright. As I see it, the Holocaust is treated as a religion because it is not falsifiable; in other words, regardless of the evidence and arguments presented, it is always TRUE and it will always be so. There is no Magic Bullet argument that will slay the giant as long as it is propped up with billions or trillions of dollars of propaganda and memorials in every U.S. state and almost all major cities. However, I noticed that a few Revisionists or sympathizers are listed as contributors at the site. Hadding Scott, Diane King, John Friend, are just a few that I caught. I did not see Roberto Muehlenkamp's name listed. I also saw some obvious pseudonyms, like David Lothrop Stoddard, etc. So, there may be some interesting things there but I don't plan to participate. I sometimes participate in the Comments sections of various rightwing or White Nationalist sites like Counter-Currents and The Right Stuff, but I am trying not to so much because I should put more effort into this site. Also, TRS seems to have banned me for calling out some particular dumb-wittery. For years, the anonymous podcasters at Fash the Nation were trying to sell the nonsense that Alexander Hamilton was Jewish and that all the Founding Fathers beginning with George Washington were tainted by Judaism somehow, let alone Freemasonry. I don't have time to mess with such B.S. and suggested that they actually get a degree in History some time, or else be more discerning about conspiracy-theories. This was not well received by the peanut gallery. Jim Rizoli and Diane King are two other Revisionists that need to be a little more discriminating with regards to conspiracy-theories. Some conspiracies are true, but not everything is a conspiracy. We have to have higher standards for evidence, particularly if one is a Holocaust Revisionist, because the Truth is always the right answer. I consider the notions that the Earth is flat, the Moon Landing never happened, that the Atomic Bomb was a hoax, that the Germ Theory of Disease is a hoax, and most 9/11 Truther conspiracies to be retarded. Jim Rizoli said he wasn't endorsing the "Moon Landing is a Hoax" theory, just that "the government has lied about everything" so he presents it anyway. However, I consider that argument to be especially weak. I'm fairly knowledgeable about the Moon Landing and the Atomic Bomb, so I would not mind presenting some stuff against those conspiracy-theories sometime โ especially since this forum is not limited to the Holocaust. Also, I think it is time โ now that most of the Covid-19 hysteria is gone โ that it is safe to go into those kinds of discussions again (should people want to). I am not that interested in the subject, myself. I do think the Covid lockdowns were huge overkill that destroyed small business owners, and I especially resented being forced as a condition of my employment to get two Covid vaccinations (thanks Brandon). I had already gotten them before the policy became mandatory and was in addition ordered to document this with Human Resources or be terminated, so I strongly resented this mandate. I also got a Covid booster, but I shant be getting a second booster since it does not appear that the shots are very effective โ lots of people I know got the jab and then still got sick. Plus, the Covid vaccines were rushed out, and some think they are not proven to be safe. I don't know. Anybody that I know who did catch the Wu-Flu said that it was basically like a three-day cold, not even a bad flu. Besides, influenza kills elderly people in droves every year and yet we don't panic. I get a flu vaccination every year because I guess that I am a Senior Citizen now, but I have not gotten the flu in almost forty years, either. However, I still remember how bad it was when I did get it, which motivates me to get the free influenza shot each year.  |
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Post by Alonso on Dec 28, 2022 7:40:44 GMT
While not as relevant as the holohoax, a mainstream narrative I'm curious about is the story of humans landing on the moon. In the old forum we had a discussion about that topic that I found quite enlightening. My conclusions from that discussion were these:
- If the landings actually happened, it's physically impossible to prove it. Proving it would require a telescope capable of actually seeing those humans land. Such a powerful telescope doesn't exist nowadays, let alone in 1969. Everything that has been presented as evidence of the landings (pictures, videos, etc.) could have been doctored.
- If the landings didn't happen, it might be possible to prove, and in fact some convincing arguments have been presented to prove it. However, it doesn't look like it can be definitively established whether the evidence presented by those arguments is reliable.
- The official narrative is heavily protected by censorship and propaganda.
- The US government and other powerful parties have obtained massive benefits from the narrative being widely believed.
- Circumstancial evidence, mainly in the form of interviews with astronauts, strongly points to a hoax.
In summary, it's very difficult to prove one way or the other, but a common sense assessment strongly suggests it didn't happen.
For the sake of clarity, this discussion is NOT about whether the US landed a spacecraft on the moon. We can probably give that for granted, and anyway it is relatively irrelevant given the fact that the USSR had already landed a spacecraft on the moon years earlier. This discussion is only about whether HUMANS landed on the moon.
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Dec 28, 2022 7:54:32 GMT
While not as relevant as the holohoax, a mainstream narrative I'm curious about is the story of humans landing on the moon. In the old forum we had a discussion about that topic that I found quite enlightening. My conclusions from that discussion were these - If the landings actually happened, it's physically impossible to prove it. Proving it would require a telescope capable of actually seeing those humans land. Such a powerful telescope doesn't exist nowadays, let alone in 1969. Everything that has been presented as evidence of the landings (pictures, videos, etc.) could have been doctored.
This is a History forum not a holocaust forum and all suggestions, like yours are valid and worthy of discussion. Retro-reflectors were put on the Moon back then which people use with lasers frequently to bounce off light back to Earth. The Moon then was a great challenge but not impossible. I think they did it. They are going back with better technology. |
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Post by Alonso on Dec 28, 2022 8:20:15 GMT
I consider the notions that the Earth is flat, the Moon Landing never happened, that the Atomic Bomb was a hoax, that the Germ Theory of Disease is a hoax, and most 9/11 Truther conspiracies to be retarded.
Sorry for the late answer. I find the topic of the moon landings quite interesting. As you probably remember, we had an interesting discussion about it in the old forum. I have created a thread in which I summarize the ideas I got from that discussion.
For what it's worth, these are my views on the other topics: - The Earth is flat: almost certainly false. My intuition is that this idea was developed with the goal of creating confusion about legitimate skepticism like holocaust revisionism.
- The atomic bomb was a hoax: didn't even know about this one. Doesn't seem to make sense.
- The Germ Theory of Disease is a hoax: I'm curious about this, but I know almost nothing of this topic.
- 9/11 was an inside job: of course it was.
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Post by Nessie on Dec 28, 2022 9:21:37 GMT
... I consider the notions that the Earth is flat, the Moon Landing never happened, that the Atomic Bomb was a hoax, that the Germ Theory of Disease is a hoax, and most 9/11 Truther conspiracies to be retarded. Jim Rizoli said he wasn't endorsing the "Moon Landing is a Hoax" theory, just that "the government has lied about everything" so he presents it anyway. However, I consider that argument to be especially weak. ... Flat earth etc are retarded conspiracies because they are massive and clearly too hard to genuinely hoax. For the earth to be flat and not round, would require lying and deception involving millions of people over decades, if not centuries, going back to the first claims it was round and the accompanying science, to seeing other planets with the first telescopes which are round, to images of the earth. To fake the moon landing, or the atomic bomb would also require a deception to be run that would need a huge amount of resources and cooperation. It would need governments to lie about everything.
The same is true for the Holocaust. It needs multiple governments to cooperate over many decades, even when they are not otherwise cooperating, such as during the Cold War or over responsibility for the Katyn Massacre. To fake the deaths of millions of people, needs the cooperation of those millions of people, who need to all keep quiet about what happened. It needs the cooperation of the Nazis, to admit to something they did not do. It needs the cooperation of all the historians and journalists who have looked into the evidence of the Holocaust.
Holocaust denial is akin to the flat earth, it is retarded and the lying about everything argument is weak.
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