Post by 𝝥𝝰𝘇𝗴𝝻𝝸 on Dec 22, 2022 2:50:25 GMT
nazgul, this topic is being discussed at CODOH as well. I am sure your input would be most welcomed, if you have anything to add: forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14794
At CODOH the following points were raised by their member Iris. link. Discussing here is slightly off topic but I am sure the moderators will tolerate this.
. These are very Nessie type questions.
- Can you prove that the trains heading east on the Treblinka line didn't pick up passengers from camps without any "exchange" taking place?
- Is there any evidence that jews who were transited to Treblinka and actually set foot inside the TII camp were not killed and were transited elsewhere?
- Were Jews transited beyond Treblinka to destinations in Belarus and Ukraine?
- The number of jews that you can prove that were put on a train on the Treblinka line heading east but never made it further east than Treblinka, is no less than: ?
I will respond with the following, though it interesting to note that evidence has been presented at CODOH but obviously not read:
- Fahrplananordnung are just transport schedules. Thousands would have been produced for every major transport of goods or personnel. If it was goods or a regular passenger service it could be inferred that each stop would involve the exchange of goods or passengers.
- It is the fact that Treblinka was identified in a few Fahrplananordnung as the final destination, this becomes the evidence by believers of mass transports to there.Between August 1942 and summer of 1943 Jews from the Radom district were brought to three camps near the munitions factory (Skarżysko-Kamienna) to work the factory. According to German records, of the total 17,210 brought in with 58 transports
- Jews were transited via Malkinia transit camp and Siedlce to the camps in Ostland and Ukraine. In fact the first transports out of Warsaw claimed to have gone to Treblinka went to Bobruysk in Ostland.The Jews arrived at the camp in two separate transports. The first group was made up of approximately 1,000 Jewish males from the Warsaw ghetto, including about 150 youth between the ages of 13 and 16 who had been held in the ghetto jail on Gęsia Street. link
- www.deutschland-ein-denkmal.de/ Has two entries for TI as Zwangarbeitslager für Juden; men and women. Treblinka I was set up as an "educational camp" and later served as a work camp for Jews and Poles.
Here is a photo of Treblinka labourers carting railway sleepers for the small gauge railway they were building. These are identical to the sleepers on the track. The claims is that this is wood for the pyre.
The muster of the Treblinka camps was about 6 thousand.