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Post by Nessie on Sept 20, 2022 8:11:49 GMT
.... Treblinka is most likely Malkinia and not TII; this is where the evidence is heading, which will explain the issues you raise with the staff. Stick to the topic please. Apart from Stroop please tell us documents that mention TII or Treblinka B. Perhaps many of those transports went to TI, which also had Jews. Is your claim that there were three camps called Treblinka? TI camp next to the quarry, TII on the spur line to the quarry and another camp that the Nazis called Treblinka located at Malkinia? |
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Post by 𝐌𝐨𝐝𝐞𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐨𝐫 on Sept 20, 2022 8:16:47 GMT
That is evidence that both numbers are correct. Elie Wiesel |
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Post by 1clown on Sept 21, 2022 6:28:00 GMT
Is capacity a reasonable argument for why Auschwitz would be chosen, regardless of what happened at either TII or Auschwitz? Whether talking about extermination rate or flat housing capacity, it seems only logical that there's got to be a point at which it would make sense to transport people to a place at a further distance, especially if Malkinia/Treblinka were acting as a transit hub. Salmen says: Lejb says: Here we have two witnesses with different accounts of how many were snuffed; both cant be right. If Salmen is correct why not send them down the road to Treblinka for the same process. The SS were scrooges when it came to finance; transporting long distances when trains are going to Treblinka every day does not seems to make much sense. If the killing methods were inefficient enough that they were getting too many people at Treblinka to handle that it made more sense to ship the overflow over to another location I don't see how that would make little sense. For me the bigger pitfall of the Treblinka death camp story is the supposed extermination method and its inefficiency and physical limitations alongside the testimony that conflicts with what actual dead bodies would look like, as well as the wood-fired open grills as a cremation method. Let me know if you see it differently and why. Also two conflicting accounts doesn't mean both are right, but it also doesn't mean neither are right. I'm not sure what your implication is there. But again, Auschwitz death camp narratives seem to have a fatal flaw with the physical impossibility of it all. As someone with less knowledge about primary sources who really just is trying to figure out truth, that is why I am asking these questions because I could easily be missing something. |
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Post by 𝝥𝝰𝘇𝗴𝝻𝝸 on Sept 21, 2022 6:55:52 GMT
Marian Olszuk lived nearby and worked near the current TII perimeter. He could see clearly inside, spoke to the guards over many years and saw nothing remotely suggesting extermination. I suspect this was really the Judenlager of the Quarry camp; Jews were required by law to be isolated from the others. If nothing happened then as the camp was full it is likely the inmates from Malkinia would transit somewhere work was needed. Transports to Treblinka are recorded Nov 30th then nothing till Dec 17 then Jan 6 1943. It is written: The last transports were 10,335 had been deported during the two weeks previous to this date Dec 17 from Dec 31 if T in the Höfle telgram means Treblinka. Timeline of TreblinkaThe two men who transited from Malkinia to Birkenau on 10th Dec during the transport hiatus. |
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Post by Nessie on Sept 21, 2022 7:39:27 GMT
Salmen says: Lejb says: Here we have two witnesses with different accounts of how many were snuffed; both cant be right. If Salmen is correct why not send them down the road to Treblinka for the same process. The SS were scrooges when it came to finance; transporting long distances when trains are going to Treblinka every day does not seems to make much sense. If the killing methods were inefficient enough that they were getting too many people at Treblinka to handle that it made more sense to ship the overflow over to another location I don't see how that would make little sense. What they did was sometimes pause operations and there was a gap in the transports. |
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Post by 𝝥𝝰𝘇𝗴𝝻𝝸 on Sept 21, 2022 7:52:08 GMT
If the killing methods were inefficient enough that they were getting too many people at Treblinka to handle that it made more sense to ship the overflow over to another location I don't see how that would make little sense. What they did was sometimes pause operations and there was a gap in the transports. This was mentioned above by myself during the Xmas period. While the Treblinka transports were halted it did not stop the transports from the Malkinia transit camp. |
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Post by 𝝥𝝰𝘇𝗴𝝻𝝸 on Sept 22, 2022 2:49:04 GMT
Germar Rudolf has identified a camp in the Malkinia area though Luftwaffe recognizance photos taken May 15, 1944. These can be seen in the images below: The first one is the general area showing the Treblinka camps below. The Malkinia camp identified is the top label.  Here is a close up of the Malkinia camp.  As can be seen in the image below there is nothing there except houses and farms.  |
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Post by 𝝥𝝰𝘇𝗴𝝻𝝸 on Sept 22, 2022 3:19:57 GMT
I have re orientated the Malkinia transit camp photo with the 1965 Treblinka trial map (made by a survivor) alongside as a comparison. You are invited to make comparisons with the map.  |
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Post by 𝝥𝝰𝘇𝗴𝝻𝝸 on Sept 22, 2022 6:34:11 GMT
I orientated the camp which is facing east to face north as a matter of comparison with the trial map above. I find a stunning number of similarities. The line going though the camp sidewise is a road. This is now highway 627. then a road heading to Niegowiec from Malkinia Gorna. I have highlighted this road in yellow on the map below.  |
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Post by Nessie on Sept 22, 2022 7:51:48 GMT
I have re orientated the Malkinia transit camp photo with the 1965 Treblinka trial map (made by a survivor) alongside as a comparison. You are invited to make comparisons with the map. The map is the wrong shape for TII and Malkinia transit camp does not appear to be on a railway line. |
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Post by Nessie on Sept 22, 2022 7:53:01 GMT
I orientated the camp which is facing east to face north as a matter of comparison with the trial map above. I find a stunning number of similarities. The line going though the camp sidewise is a road. This is now highway 627. then a road heading to Niegowiec from Malkinia Gorna. I have highlighted this road in yellow on the map below. TII did not have a road going through it. |
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Post by 𝝥𝝰𝘇𝗴𝝻𝝸 on Sept 22, 2022 8:04:11 GMT
Here is the trial map 1965  |
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Post by 𝝥𝝰𝘇𝗴𝝻𝝸 on Sept 22, 2022 9:20:02 GMT
The map is the wrong shape for TII and Malkinia transit camp does not appear to be on a railway line. It is indeed the wrong shape for the current TII, but the exact shape for the Malkinia camp; there is no railway line to the left of the Malkinia camp that can be discerned in the photo. I suspect this map was drawn from hearsay. |
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Post by Nessie on Sept 22, 2022 10:00:50 GMT
Here is the trial map 1965 That map was used during the trial of Franz Stangl, which places it at TII on the spur line to TI. Stop trying to move that camp to Malkinia. |
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Post by Nessie on Sept 22, 2022 10:02:19 GMT
The map is the wrong shape for TII and Malkinia transit camp does not appear to be on a railway line. It is indeed the wrong shape for the current TII, but the exact shape for the Malkinia camp; there is no railway line to the left of the Malkinia camp that can be discerned in the photo. I suspect this map was drawn from hearsay. You "suspect"? What about doing some research?
You are clearly trying to move TII to Malkinia, as you pretend you are doing some sort of worthwhile research. |
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