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Post by been_there on Nov 5, 2022 10:21:01 GMT
"While encyclopedias are reviewed and edited before being published, they are not peer reviewed and should rarely be cited in scholarly writing."academicguidesThe same encyclopaedias have to support the narrative depending on those in charge of it wish to morph. They have no idea of the number of Labour camps for Jews that we now know in those areas, nor that all the trains Nazgul said stopped at those places en-route to Treblinka on two lines and on the return trip. The 650 camps in Ostland were unknown and to be honest many are still unknown. To be Frank you are putting a case forward on faulty data, deliberate or not is another issue. All you have is excuses to try and dismiss the evidence I produce, as you cannot produce any evidence at all. You make bold assertions, that are unevidenced. You have no evidence. Only an ignoramus would consider linking to an encylopedia article as equivalent to ”producing evidence”. 🤦♂️ Any person who can not comprehend the statement ” encyclopedias should rarely be cited in scholarly writing” is not a person capable of unravelling the deceits and innaccuracies in a legally protected, quasi-religious belief-system. Certainly not when they themselves have a cultish faith in it. 🙂 |
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Post by 𝐍𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐞 on Nov 5, 2022 10:26:47 GMT
All you have is excuses to try and dismiss the evidence I produce, as you cannot produce any evidence at all. You make bold assertions, that are unevidenced. You have no evidence. Only an ignoramus would consider linking to an encylopedia article as equivalent to ”producing evidence”. 🤦♂️ We were discussing the "narrative" of what happened. I was not using the encyclopedia as evidence. The encyclopedia was used after a request to use a non-Jewish source about the narrative of what happened. The entry contains the same narrative as the Jewish sources. There is an agreement with all sources as to the narrative of what happened to the Kiev Jews. That is because of the evidence. The ignoramus person here is you. All you do is abuse, you cannot add any evidence to the debate and answer, where did they go? Go away and come back with evidence. |
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Post by been_there on Nov 5, 2022 16:05:09 GMT
Only an ignoramus would consider linking to an encylopedia article as equivalent to ”producing evidence”. 🤦♂️ We were discussing the "narrative" of what happened. I was not using the encyclopedia as evidence. The encyclopedia was used after a request to use a non-Jewish source about the narrative of what happened. The entry contains the same narrative as the Jewish sources. The encyclopedia repeats a Jewish-controlled compulsory narrative that it is illegal to question, you doofus. [sigh] |
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Post by 𝐍𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐞 on Nov 5, 2022 17:51:54 GMT
We were discussing the "narrative" of what happened. I was not using the encyclopedia as evidence. The encyclopedia was used after a request to use a non-Jewish source about the narrative of what happened. The entry contains the same narrative as the Jewish sources. The encyclopedia repeats a Jewish-controlled compulsory narrative that it is illegal to question, you doofus. [sigh]The encyclopedia repeats the only evidenced narrative as to what happened. It is legal to study that evidence and to evidence any alternative.
It is not legal in some countries to make unevidenced claims that something else happened and make unevidenced claims about a Jewish conspiracy.
You have got no evidence. It amazes me how often revisionists do not understand that they need ...... EVIDENCE!!!!! That is why the "where did they go?" question cannot be answered by revisionists.
Because you cannot evidence what happened, your suggestion that the evidence of what happened is a conspiracy, falls flat on its face and in fact, it is you who has fallen for a conspiracy.
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Post by 𝝥𝝰𝘇𝗴𝝻𝝸 on Nov 5, 2022 18:10:27 GMT
Nazgul asked for a non Jewish source of the narrative of what happened, so I produced one. No matter the source of the narrative as to what happened at Kiev in 1941, they all agree, because of the evidence.
What evidence, it is this we have been asking for. You cannot seem to find it. Using each other as a source of information is not evidence. I would like a source of information that can confirm the real population of Kiev and the numbers who fled, not reports of this from hearsay. There are conflicting reports which is why it is important to get the true numbers if anything is available. If nothing is available then anything said is mere hearsay and speculation. The truth of the matter comes to the population numbers left behind. It was written that the Germans killed 50 thousand children here, which implies the parents fled and left their kids to the guns of the Nazi monsters. This is worse for the Jews than anything. Of course this is just an emotional story but no more real than anything else said or presented so far. |
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Post by 𝐍𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐞 on Nov 5, 2022 19:21:20 GMT
Nazgul asked for a non Jewish source of the narrative of what happened, so I produced one. No matter the source of the narrative as to what happened at Kiev in 1941, they all agree, because of the evidence.
What evidence, it is this we have been asking for. You cannot seem to find it. Using each other as a source of information is not evidence. I would like a source of information that can confirm the real population of Kiev and the numbers who fled, not reports of this from hearsay. There are conflicting reports which is why it is important to get the true numbers if anything is available. If nothing is available then anything said is mere hearsay and speculation. The truth of the matter comes to the population numbers left behind. It was written that the Germans killed 50 thousand children here, which implies the parents fled and left their kids to the guns of the Nazi monsters. This is worse for the Jews than anything. Of course this is just an emotional story but no more real than anything else said or presented so far. Is that all you have got? Pretending you do not know about the documentary, witness, photographic and circumstantial evidence of mass shootings at Babi Yar. |
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Post by 𝝥𝝰𝘇𝗴𝝻𝝸 on Nov 6, 2022 6:46:07 GMT
It seems there were no mass shootings except by the NKVD.
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Post by been_there on Nov 6, 2022 9:30:42 GMT
The encyclopedia repeats a Jewish-controlled compulsory narrative that it is illegal to question, you doofus. [sigh]The encyclopedia repeats the only evidenced narrative as to what happened. Wrong! You are in quite idiotic denial of reality. Wrong. Roques, Prof Joel Hayward, Prof Norman Finkelstein, Prof Ernst Nolte, Prof Anthony Hall are notable examples that prove you wrong. As this has been explained to you numerous times that proves you are either an imbecile and/or a liar. BOTTOM LINE: A link to a holocaust true-believer website repeating the protected H-narrative is not ’evidence’. A link to an encyclopedia article is not a reference to ”alternative non-Jewish sources”. Only a deceiver who has no university degree in History could think they were. |
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Post by 𝐍𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐞 on Nov 6, 2022 9:30:44 GMT
It seems there were no mass shootings except by the NKVD. Is your claim the Nazis show no one at Babi Yar? If so, where did they resettle the Jews of Kiev? Show witness or documentary evidence of the Nazis rounding up and transporting those Jews elsewhere. |
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Post by 𝐍𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐞 on Nov 6, 2022 9:41:36 GMT
The encyclopedia repeats the only evidenced narrative as to what happened. Wrong! You are in quite idiotic denial of reality. How is that wrong? The encyclopedia has the same narrative as the other sources I linked to and there is no evidence that something other than mass shootings took place at Babi Yar. They did not provide an evidenced alternative to what happened. For example, no revisionist has provided evidence of something other than mass shootings at Babi Yar, or mass gassings at the AR camps. If one of them had found a new witness, or document, or other evidence, that contradicted the existing history, it would not be illegal to study that. Correct, it is a secondary source that discusses the evidence. Secondary sources are often used as a link to evidence, you use them a lot, when you copy and past into your posts. How so? Are you saying Britannica is Jewish! It states the same as the Jewish sources, so it is an alternative source. The one who gets confused and lacks understanding, is you. That is why you resort to terms like idiotic, imbecile and deceiver. Your argument is so weak and pathetic, you have to concentrate on the person, to prop your argument up. You are also off topic, so unless you can post something with evidence, no personal attacks and is on topic, it is best you leave this debate. |
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Post by 𝝥𝝰𝘇𝗴𝝻𝝸 on Nov 6, 2022 9:47:11 GMT
They did not provide an evidenced alternative to what happened. For example, no revisionist has provided evidence of something other than mass shootings at Babi Yar, or mass gassings at the AR camps. If one of them had found a new witness, or document, or other evidence, that contradicted the existing history, it would not be illegal to study that. 700 thousand Ukrainian Jews died, 2 million survived. 14 million Ukrainian goy perished. This war was not about Jews; it is only they and Jews like you that thinks so. |
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Post by 𝐍𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐞 on Nov 6, 2022 10:03:46 GMT
They did not provide an evidenced alternative to what happened. For example, no revisionist has provided evidence of something other than mass shootings at Babi Yar, or mass gassings at the AR camps. If one of them had found a new witness, or document, or other evidence, that contradicted the existing history, it would not be illegal to study that. 700 thousand Ukrainian Jews died, 2 million survived. 14 million Ukrainian goy perished. This war was not about Jews; it is only they and Jews like you that thinks so. I am trying to stay on topic, in a discussion about your denial of mass killings of Jews at certain places, such as Babi Yar and the AR camps.
The reason why you and been-there and others who have posted in this thread do not want to stay on topic, is because you have no evidence something other than mass murders took place at those locations and where the Jews went.
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Post by 𝝥𝝰𝘇𝗴𝝻𝝸 on Nov 6, 2022 18:13:59 GMT
The reason why you and been-there and others who have posted in this thread do not want to stay on topic, is because you have no evidence something other than mass murders took place at those locations and where the Jews went. There is a thread to discuss the Kiev situation. This thread is about population movements. The demographics situation was needed and all we get is some encyclopaedia article. Unless this poster has something new to add the situation remains unchanged, unclarified in the minds of true skeptics. I suggest this Holocaust supremacist just stops replying for the sake of it. |
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Post by been_there on May 22, 2023 11:03:30 GMT
On 31 July 1941, Hermann Göring sent a memo to Reinhard Heydrich authorising him with the planning and implementing of a "total solution of the Jewish question" in all the territories under the control of the German Third Reich. In January of 1942 Heydrich convened a meeting in Wannsee, a suburb of Berlin, in order to inform and coordinate the participation of all the government organisations who would be involved in or affected by this anti-Jewish policy. According to the minutes of the meeting, that policy was to be of emigration, expulsion and forced exile. The enforced consensus view is that these words were euphemisms concealing a policy of as yet unplanned, unco-ordinated, yet-to-be-implemented mass-extermination of ALL Jews in Europe. According to the Jewish organisation Yad Vashem: “as a result of the [Wannsee] meeting a network of extermination camps was established in which 1.7 million Jews were murdered in 1942-1943”.[Ref: www.yadvashem.org/holocaust/about/final-solution-beginning/wannsee-conference.html#narrative_info ]According to the research presented at this Wannsee Conference, there were 11,000,000 Jews and mischingle (part-Jewish persons) in all of Europe. But according to the USHMM, the American Jewish Yearbook stated that “the Jewish population of Europe was about 9.5 million in 1933. In 1950, the Jewish population of Europe was about 3.5 million”. [ Hmmmm?🤔] 9.5 million minus 3.5 million = 6 million. So how many of the total number of Jews in Europe were deliberately murdered when: • we know not all of the populations of Jews came under Axis control, • we know millions emigrated to Israel and America during and after the war, • we know millions of people (including Jews) across Europe died of starvation and disease due to the British embargo during the war, • we know hundreds of thousands of people (including Jews) were killed in Allied bombing raids and due to what would now be called ‘collateral damage’, • we know that hundreds of thousands of people (including Jews) died in concentration camps at the wars end due to epidemics such as Typhus? ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
To give an informed answer to the ‘argument from ignorance’ question of “where did European Jews go if they were not kiiled in ‘the holocaust’?”, the following questions would need to be addressed and answered. QUESTIONS FOR BELIEVERS IN THE HOLOCAUST ‘MASS-GASSINGS’ ALLEGATION:
1.) what is the official, total number of Jews mass-murdered using gas, according to the custodians of the enforced and legally protected ‘holocaust’ narrative? And how is this figure arrived at? 2.) what — if there is one — is the official figure for deaths of Jews during WW2 by what can be called ‘collateral damage’? And if there isn’t a figure, why isn’t there. 3.) how many Jews in total were there in all the territories that came under the control of the German Third Reich? 3.) what is the official total figure of Jewish ‘survivors’ who emigrated out of Europe during and after the war?* *According to the USHMM:
“In 1950, most Jews (51%) lived in the Americas (North and South combined)”. |
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Post by 𝐍𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐞 on May 22, 2023 18:44:57 GMT
On 31 July 1941, Hermann Göring sent a memo to Reinhard Heydrich authorising him with the planning and implementing of a "total solution of the Jewish question" in all the territories under the control of the German Third Reich. In January of 1942 Heydrich convened a meeting in Wannsee, a suburb of Berlin, in order to inform and coordinate the participation of all the government organisations who would be involved in or affected by this anti-Jewish policy. According to the minutes of the meeting, that policy was to be of emigration, expulsion and forced exile. The enforced consensus view is that these words were euphemisms concealing a policy of as yet unplanned, unco-ordinated, yet-to-be-implemented mass-extermination of ALL Jews in Europe. According to the Jewish organisation Yad Vashem: “as a result of the [Wannsee] meeting a network of extermination camps was established in which 1.7 million Jews were murdered in 1942-1943”.[Ref: www.yadvashem.org/holocaust/about/final-solution-beginning/wannsee-conference.html#narrative_info ]According to the research presented at this Wannsee Conference, there were 11,000,000 Jews and mischingle (part-Jewish persons) in all of Europe. But according to the USHMM, the American Jewish Yearbook stated that “the Jewish population of Europe was about 9.5 million in 1933. In 1950, the Jewish population of Europe was about 3.5 million”. [ Hmmmm?🤔] 9.5 million minus 3.5 million = 6 million. So how many of the total number of Jews in Europe were deliberately murdered when: • we know not all of the populations of Jews came under Axis control, • we know millions emigrated to Israel and America during and after the war, • we know millions of people (including Jews) across Europe died of starvation and disease due to the British embargo during the war, • we know hundreds of thousands of people (including Jews) were killed in Allied bombing raids and due to what would now be called ‘collateral damage’, • we know that hundreds of thousands of people (including Jews) died in concentration camps at the wars end due to epidemics such as Typhus? ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
To give an informed answer to the ‘argument from ignorance’ question of “where did European Jews go if they were not kiiled in ‘the holocaust’?”, the following questions would need to be addressed and answered. QUESTIONS FOR BELIEVERS IN THE HOLOCAUST ‘MASS-GASSINGS’ ALLEGATION:
1.) what is the official, total number of Jews mass-murdered using gas, according to the custodians of the enforced and legally protected ‘holocaust’ narrative? And how is this figure arrived at? 2.) what — if there is one — is the official figure for deaths of Jews during WW2 by what can be called ‘collateral damage’? And if there isn’t a figure, why isn’t there. 3.) how many Jews in total were there in all the territories that came under the control of the German Third Reich? 3.) what is the official total figure of Jewish ‘survivors’ who emigrated out of Europe during and after the war?* *According to the USHMM:
“In 1950, most Jews (51%) lived in the Americas (North and South combined)”.Those very general questions about overall totals, do not need to be answered, before revisionists can answer what happened to the Warsaw Jews who were transported from the ghetto to TII in 1942-43, or the 18 train loads of Dutch Jews sent from Westerbork to Sobibor in 1943, or the Hungarian Jews sent to A-B in 1944. An informed answer to what happened to those people, would come from contemporaneous evidence from the Jews who were on the transports, the Nazis responsible for them, documents pertaining to their movement and the physical evidence of where they were subsequently accommodated.
You are doing everything you can to dodge your inability to answer what happened to those specific Jews, if they were not killed at TII, Sobibor or the Kremas in Birkenau.
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