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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Sept 2, 2022 7:58:34 GMT
This was posted on Nessie board re transports, a reply to his mention of mortality revisions. I will repost it here as it in the correct topic slot. Early estimates were over estimates and have been revised down. That has happened with the AR camps and A-B. Like all deaths in that conflict there are huge variations, some such as Soviet deaths and atrocities in the magnitude of 300%; everything is an estimation, the reality being a guesstimate. No one is trying to say that people did not suffer horribly; many if not most of the deaths were in the hiatus immediately post war. Millions of Russians and Germans, Hungarians, people all over Europe were displaced, no food, no warmth. It is those people that deserve compassion as much as a single class of people who have claimed attention. The reality the Jews claim is insignificant in the light of this information.  |
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Post by Nessie on Sept 2, 2022 9:54:13 GMT
Interesting to see to what extent the Nazis targetted civilians, compared to the Allies, with 58% of Allied casualties civilian compared to 4% Axis casualties civilians.
All the Jewish, Roma gypsies, Jehovah's witnesses, homosexuals and the disabled murdered by the Nazis, just for not fitting into their Aryan scheme.
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Sept 2, 2022 10:04:39 GMT
Interesting to see to what extent the Nazis targetted civilians, compared to the Allies, with 58% of Allied casualties civilian compared to 4% Axis casualties civilians. All the Jewish, Roma gypsies, Jehovah's witnesses, homosexuals and the disabled murdered by the Nazis, just for not fitting into their Aryan scheme. There is no evidence that the deaths in those figures were caused by Nazis; in fact the German population suffered greatly. The deaths were caused by a number of factors, not bullets but the collateral damage all conflicts bring. There is no evidence of substance to suggest those groups you mention above were murdered; perhaps quarantined. Aryan is a concept to unite a collective still held strongly today, mainly by those not of colour. It is still a huge political force to be reckoned with. |
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Post by Sandhurst on Sept 4, 2022 7:33:40 GMT
Interesting to see to what extent the Nazis targetted civilians, compared to the Allies, with 58% of Allied casualties civilian compared to 4% Axis casualties civilians. All the Jewish, Roma gypsies, Jehovah's witnesses, homosexuals and the disabled murdered by the Nazis, just for not fitting into their Aryan scheme. The civilian deaths include extensive allied bombing. "Jehovah's Witnesses were sentenced to death by military courts for refusing military service were executed. Of the 25,000 to 30,000 Germans who in 1933 were Jehovah's Witnesses, an estimated 20,000 remained active through the Nazi period. USHMM. The remainder fled Germany, renounced their faith, or confined their worship to the family."The murders appear to be faulty claims by the poster Nessie and will be addressed in due course. |
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Post by Turnagain on Sept 4, 2022 8:22:03 GMT
Venator wrote:
Victors write the history. There's no shortage of books denouncing Hitler and his eeevul Narzis.
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Post by Sandhurst on Sept 4, 2022 23:33:38 GMT
Homosexuals.Nessie wrote that gay men were murdered by the Reich; this is incorrect, though the chances of survival was less than other prisoner groups. The contrast was that although illegal, there were numerous gay clubs, the law ignored by the police. After the Rรถhm murder there was a clampdown similar to what being occurring in the UK and the US. In fact up until the early 1800s the UK enforced the death penalty for homosexuality. Roma gypsies
There is insufficient evidence to make a blanket statement they were murdered. It is clear that they were regarded as undesirables, as they were in most cultures and to be incarcerated. Pontificating misperceptions without evidence is not appreciated. Like others they were put to work but were separated from the population. Of course like everyone else Aktion 14f13 did occur where the invalids crossed over the rainbow bridge. 
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