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Post by Turnagain on Jun 26, 2022 14:38:02 GMT
Nessie can't seem to comprehend that 4.53 hectares was the space required for the burials and the stockpile ONLY. What can't you understand about ONLY? Do you need a dictionary definition?
Neither can he comprehend that one fourth of 5.7 hectares equals 1.425 hectares. 5.66 minus 1.425 equals 4.235 and 4.235 is less than the minimum grave space, 4.53 hectares, needed for the cadavers. Why can't you understand that your "three football pitches" isn't relevant to that?
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Post by Nessie on Jun 26, 2022 15:09:07 GMT
Nessie can't seem to comprehend that 4.53 hectares was the space required for the burials and the stockpile ONLY. What can't you understand about ONLY? Do you need a dictionary definition? I have had to remind you that!!! You act as if 1.425 hectares is the proven amount of space that is needed for a barracks, a gas chambers and space between the graves. The three football pitches is a reference to the 5.7 hectare Totenlager minus the 4.5 hectares of graves and stockpile, which is 1.2 hectares. Prove a barracks, a gas chambers and space to walk between the graves cannot be done in 1.2 hectares and instead it needs 1.4 hectares. The 1.2 hectares, or three US football pitches, is easily enough space for one barracks, a gas chambers and space between the graves. A barracks at A-B was 35.4m by 11m, or 389.4m2, or 0.039 of a hectare. The gas chambers, say at twice the size of a barracks is 0.078 hectares, total for the two is 0.117 hectares. Subtract that from 1.2 hectares and that leaves 1.08 hectare for space around the graves. |
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Post by Turnagain on Jun 26, 2022 15:24:10 GMT
Nessie pretends that he doesn't understand the meaning of the word "ONLY". Whether it's pretense or stupidity, sell it down the street.
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Post by mrolonzo on Jun 26, 2022 15:37:31 GMT
Yeah, and it is part of a consistent delusional disregard for reality. If We followed this delusional approach to reality then the โBirmingham sixโ would have died in prison for crimes it was later proved that they never committed. The only evidence against the Birmingham Six, was circumstantial and false confessions. The evidence against the Nazis was far more substantial, with multiple witnesses, documents, physical, archaeological and circumstantial evidence. PLUS, the Nazis always admitted to their crimes, which the Birmingham Six did not. Your analogy is false, because of the very different levels of evidencing and circumstances.
It is the responsibility of an accused person to point to exculpatory evidence in an investigation. If someone has evidence that proves they are innocent and they sit on that evidence and don't tell anyone about it, then that is idiocy on their part. If the Nazis had exculpatory evidence, since they were not idiots, they would have revealed it and not hidden it.
There is no conclusive physical, archeological or documentary evidence for the holocaust. Which is why you don't even try to defend the central claims. Pressac did the major work in evidencing the claims, but you don't even try to defend him. |
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Post by mrolonzo on Jun 26, 2022 15:40:02 GMT
Nazgul wrote: Nessie is back to his claim that proving the falsity of an accusation is insufficient. The defense of the accused must also present evidence for an alternate scenario. Mass gassings are evidenced sufficiently to prove they happened.
There is no alternative event that is evidenced and proven to have happened.
Your attempt to portray yourself as defence council for the Nazis fails, because they admitted to their crimes, because they had no exculpatory evidence to prove something else happened. If TII was a transit camp, when interviewed, the Nazis would have described mass arrivals and a process leading to mass departures. An innocent person will point to exculpatory evidence, so that investigators will see there is another line of investigation. The Nazis had ample opportunity to prove the claims being made against them were false. They could have let independent observers into the AR camps on 1942-3. They could have left the camps intact for future investigations. They could have kept the camp documents and taken photos of what was happening.
If someone is accused of something and that person has exculpatory evidence, it is up to them to present that evidence to investigators, which would stop the investigation in its tracks and the claim would never even get to court.
Mass gassings are not sufficiently evidenced. Especially in light of the technical and documentary studies done. Which is why you have no ability to advance your claim here or anywhere. |
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Post by Nessie on Jun 26, 2022 15:41:12 GMT
Nessie pretends that he doesn't understand the meaning of the word "ONLY". Whether it's pretense or stupidity, sell it down the street. The 4.53 hectares was ONLY the space needed for the graves and stockpile.
MORE space is needed for the gas chambers, barracks and walkways between the graves.
In a 5.66 hectare space, the size of the Totenlager, subtract the 4.53 for the graves and stockpile and you are left with 1.13 hectares to fit the gas chambers, barracks and walkways.
The barracks and gas chambers take up 0.117 hectares. That leaves 1.01 hectares of space around the graves.
A US football field is 0.446 hectares.
It is easy to see how the graves, stockpile, gas chambers, barracks and walkways fits inside the Totenlager.
Totenlager - 5.66 hectares Graves and stockpile - 4.53 hectares Barracks and gas chambers - 0.117 hectares Space left - 1.01 hectares
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Post by Turnagain on Jun 26, 2022 17:41:20 GMT
The totenlager was 5.66 hectares. One fourth of that space or 1.425 hectares was taken up by the gas chambers, the pyres and the sonnderkommando's barracks. The 4.53 hectares for the graves doesn't include the top cover. How much was that? One meter? A half meter? A third of a meter? Those are unknowns and can't be calculated. If it was one meter then 24 cubic meters of grave was available and 192 cadavers could be buried per meter of grave. If a half meter then 28 cubic meters would be available and 224 cadavers could be buried per meter of grave. If there was one meter of top cover then the graves would have to be 3.24 km long. See how that works? So we have 2-3 kilometers of grave space. That won't fit inside the totenlager so we have to have multiple graves. Are the graves 50 meters long? 75 meters? 100 meters? 150 meters? That's another unknown. Each grave requires access to it. What size is the access way? Same problem, it's an unknown and can't be calculated. The 4.53 hectares is a base number and shows a minimum not the actual area required for the graves.
Your claim that the murder facilities used only 0.117 hectare is laughable. The new gas chamber was on one side of the totenlager and the barracks were on the opposite side. They didn't sit side by side. The cremation grates were between the new gas chamber and the graves. ALL of the complete maps from "Death Camps" show the murder facilities taking up at least one fourth of the totenlager area. There wasn't sufficient room in the totenlager for both the graves and the murder facilities. That's if the M&H dragline dug and stockpiled the graves. Are you going to dust off your mystery machine or find a way to reduce the number of cadavers that were buried? |
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Post by Nessie on Jun 26, 2022 18:39:23 GMT
The totenlager was 5.66 hectares. One fourth of that space or 1.425 hectares was taken up by the gas chambers, the pyres and the sonnderkommando's barracks. Evidence that claim. I have evidenced a barracks was 0.039 of a hectare and a gas chamber twice that. If the pyre was 100m by 25m, that would be 0.25 of a hectare, so 0.367 of a hectare in total. Now you have seen that 4.53 will easily fit inside 5.66 you are trying to expand the size of graves and stockpile, whilst admitting you are estimating and guessing! I estimated it is twice the size of a barracks, so 0.078 hectares or about 40m by 20m. How large do you think the gas chambers were? You are estimating, based on drawn plans, often with no scale and you are still ignoring that some of the graves are in the Lazarette, so the actual area for graves and stockpile is larger, which correspondingly means less grave/stockpile in the Totenlager and so more space for the gas chambers, barracks and pyre. The camp was 17 hectares. It was clearly big enough for the graves, stockpile and buuildings. |
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Post by Turnagain on Jun 26, 2022 19:02:29 GMT
LOL! Nessie is desperately trying to spin his claim that the totenlager could contain as many as 33 100 meter graves inside it along with the murder facilities. There was one pit for burning cadavers in the lazarette but Nessie declares that the entire lazarette area consisted of the building and multiple graves. He conveniently ignores the fact that I said the grave space didn't include the top cover.
Note that Nessie refuses to answer my question about the dimensions of the camp. Gee, why is that, Nessie? Cat got your tongue? Don't wanna' talk about that?
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Post by mrolonzo on Jun 26, 2022 19:03:40 GMT
The totenlager was 5.66 hectares. One fourth of that space or 1.425 hectares was taken up by the gas chambers, the pyres and the sonnderkommando's barracks. Evidence that claim. I have evidenced a barracks was 0.039 of a hectare and a gas chamber twice that. If the pyre was 100m by 25m, that would be 0.25 of a hectare, so 0.367 of a hectare in total. Now you have seen that 4.53 will easily fit inside 5.66 you are trying to expand the size of graves and stockpile, whilst admitting you are estimating and guessing! I estimated it is twice the size of a barracks, so 0.078 hectares or about 40m by 20m. How large do you think the gas chambers were? You are estimating, based on drawn plans, often with no scale and you are still ignoring that some of the graves are in the Lazarette, so the actual area for graves and stockpile is larger, which correspondingly means less grave/stockpile in the Totenlager and so more space for the gas chambers, barracks and pyre. The camp was 17 hectares. It was clearly big enough for the graves, stockpile and buuildings. " Evidence that claim. I have evidenced a barracks was 0.039 of a hectare and a gas chamber twice that" Could you show that please? |
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