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Post by mrolonzo on Jun 27, 2022 14:02:40 GMT
Nessie wrote: No, that's not what I'm claiming. The question remains, are you just pretending or are you actually that stupid? Good lord Turn, he's not stupid. We know that. It's a pride thing. Go ahead and set out the issue He says you're claiming 4.53 hectares cannot fit inside 5.66 hectares and he thinks he's got you over a barrel.
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Post by Turnagain on Jun 27, 2022 14:08:45 GMT
mrolonzo wrote:
Nessie is an innumerate so don't count on him being able to comprehend what I'm saying. As I said, I have set out the issue but it doesn't appear to have penetrated Nessie's ignorance of simple mathematics.
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Post by Nessie on Jun 27, 2022 14:12:48 GMT
Nessie wrote: No, that's not what I'm claiming. The question remains, are you just pretending or are you actually that stupid?
mrolonzo wrote: I just did. Scroll up a few posts in this thread.
You said that the surface area of the graves and stockpile would be 4.53 hectares. How would that not fit inside a Totenlager that is 5.66 hectares?
Bear in mind that some graves were inside the Lazarette, so the actual surface area of graves and stockpile is less than 4.53 hectares, as some were inside the Lazarette.
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Post by Turnagain on Jun 27, 2022 14:26:03 GMT
Nessie wrote:
NO! I DIDN'T say that. I said that 4.53 hectares would be the minimum area required for one continuous grave to contain 725,000 cadavers. That doesn't include the UNKNOWN amount of top cover for the graves or the UNKNOWN number of graves. There was one pit inside the lazarette for burning cadavers. There weren't multiple pits inside the lazarette area.
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Post by Nessie on Jun 27, 2022 14:29:53 GMT
Nessie wrote: NO! I DIDN'T say that. I said that 4.53 hectares would be the minimum area required for one continuous grave to contain 725,000 cadavers. It does not matter if it is measured as one continuous grave, or 10 graves, the surface area is the overall the same. The top cover does not add to the surface area, it is either on the graves, or it is in the stockpile. The number of graves is around 10. There is evidence of one, probably two. Even one reduces the grave and stockpile area in the Totenlager.
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Post by Turnagain on Jun 27, 2022 14:56:35 GMT
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It DOES matter how many graves there were since there has to be a space between the graves.
My aching arse! How thick can you be? The M&H dragline could excavate no more than about 32 cubic meters of ex per meter of grave. The top cover reduces the volume of grave that can be used for burial. If the entire 32 cubic meters of grave is used for burial then the resulting grave will be 2.83 km long. If the volume of burial space is reduced by one meter of top cover then the resulting grave will be 3.78 km long. That's for one continuous grave. That grave will have to be dug in much shorter sections to fit into the totenlager.
If that's the case, then each grave will have to be between 283 and 378 meters long. IOW, it will have to be longer than 283 meters by the amount of top cover for each grave.
Do you see that the 4.53 hectare, 2.83 km long grave is the base number that by definition will be smaller than the actual numbers. That is due to the fact that the amount of top cover and the number of graves are both UNKNOWNS.
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Post by Nessie on Jun 27, 2022 15:07:47 GMT
Nessie wrote: It DOES matter how many graves there were since there has to be a space between the graves. 5.66 - 4.53 = 1.13 which is the size of three US football fields. That is easily enough space for gas chambers, barracks and walkways. All the evidence is of multiple graves inside the Totenlager. The minimum is 5, the most 10. You calculated the stockpile area based on digging graves for set number of people. What is your new calculation based on 1m of top cover? Nine graves of that size in the Totenlager and 1 in the Lazarett would easily fit inside a 17 hectare camp, with 7 hectares dedicated to Totenlager and Lazarette.
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Post by Turnagain on Jun 27, 2022 15:20:08 GMT
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Trying to teach Nessie mathematics is indeed a hopeless task. NO, the M&H dragline couldn't dig a 4X20 meter pit. It couldn't dig a pit any larger than 32 cubic meters per meter of grave. That could be doubled to 64 cubic meters if a double cone stockpile was built. One on each side of the grave but none of the sketches or models show double cone stockpiles. In any event that's still less than your 80 cubic meter of ex per meter of grave.
Lukaszkiewcz's claim that the mass graves disappeared after they were used to bury the cadavers is absurd. So is your claim that CS-C's claims are "corroborated" and Krege's claims weren't.
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Post by Turnagain on Jun 27, 2022 15:41:39 GMT
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You dense fool, the number of cadavers remains at 725,000. The length of the grave increases. It increases by the amount of top cover whether that's one foot or one meter. By definition it must be longer than 2.83 km. What can't you understand about that?
The stockpiles of ex have to be at least 12 meters wide so that's 144 meters for just the stockpiles. Then we have nine graves of an unknown width. If the graves were 4X8 meters then they would require 180 meters of space. IOW, the graves would have to be over 283 meters by over 144 meters and over 4.53 hectares. You have at least one fourth of the 5.66 hectares taken up with the murder facilities and not nearly enough room for your graves.
Turn and squirm as you wish, Nessie, but there wasn't enough room in the totenlager to bury 725,000 cadavers.
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Post by Nessie on Jun 27, 2022 16:07:50 GMT
Nessie wrote: You dense fool, the number of cadavers remains at 725,000. The length of the grave increases. It increases by the amount of top cover whether that's one foot or one meter. By definition it must be longer than 2.83 km. What can't you understand about that? I don't understand why a surface area of 4.53 will not fit inside a surface area of 5.66. How does a barracks, a gas chamber, a pyre and space to walk between the graves take up one fourth of 5.66 hectares? There was enough room by your calculations, especially when the Lazarette is taken into account.
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Post by mrolonzo on Jun 27, 2022 16:17:25 GMT
Ah right. So the body is in the ground and some say it's there but no testing was ever done and no cremains were ever dug up and examined so it's probably just rubbish from the camp that was there. Excavations in 1945 at each AR camp found identifiable body parts along with cremated remains. Forensic testing in 1945 at Sobibor identified cremated remains as human. Since then boreholes at Belzec have found decomposed and cremated remains, excavations at Sobobor have found cremains and a walk over survey at TII also found cremains. There are ghetto and transit camp records naming who was sent to the AR camps. The Nazis wanted to rid occupied Europe of the Jews and to steal their property. No laboratory analysis exists from 45 Belzec archeology contradicts witness statements and the data shows that building D was instead of gas chamber was a car garage while building G, presumed to be a concrete gas chamber had no concrete. And O'Neil states, we found no trace of the gassing barracks dating from either the first or second phase of the camp's construction . Im sure there are. Certainly they seen a guy around town that looked kinda like him. Oh sure. That's no reason to kill people.
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Post by mrolonzo on Jun 27, 2022 16:23:04 GMT
Thank you for admitting you can't prove no pressure and no interest applied. The lack of evidence of any pressure on the Nazis, is evidence no pressure was applied. There was also no need to apply pressure, as the evidence meant the Nazis admitted to their crimes. Just because I cannot show the original Polish report, does not therefore mean no evidence. This thread is about denier lying about there being no evidence. You want to dodge that by going off topic. Were the nazis being rewarded for their service or were they enemies of the victorious regime? Were nazis being executed and jailed? Were nazis tortured? All evidence of pressure. It literally does mean that. Go ahead just show the numbers, the chemical traces in the ground from the samples. The photographs of hundreds of thousands of people. I addressed it already. I even mentioned the AR finance document that destroyed the notion even further. You ignore it, so let's talk about this lovely logic loop of yours and wide application in history. If you don't like that. Just tell me one bit of evidence that is absolutely incontrovertible proof of mass murder at Belzec, just to hone it down. Maybe a witness statement? A statement from Kola? The claim from 45 about a hand or a jew bone without teeth being found? Go on. Hit me with some real detail.
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Post by Turnagain on Jun 27, 2022 16:37:44 GMT
Nessie wrote:
I can't understand why you're so thick but there it is. Why can't you understand that the actual size of the graves is greater than 4.53 hectares?
Quite easily.
No, by my calculations there isn't enough room in the totenlager for the graves. Turn and squirm some more, Nessie. It's entertaining.
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Post by Nessie on Jun 27, 2022 16:49:32 GMT
Nessie wrote: I can't understand why you're so thick but there it is. Why can't you understand that the actual size of the graves is greater than 4.53 hectares? Why did you calculate it at 4.53, when it was more than that? Why are you not taking into account at least one grave was in the Lazarette? A fourth of 5.66 hectares is 1.41 hectares, or 3.4 US football pitches. I do not believe your claim the barracks, gas chambers etc were that big. What is entertaining is watching you squirm as your calculations prove you wrong. Only someone with a limited grasp of the truth, would argue that 4.53 hectares, plus two buildings and a pyre could not fit inside 5.66 hectares.
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Post by Turnagain on Jun 27, 2022 17:06:38 GMT
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Because that was a limit that could be calculated with available information.
You can believe that the little boy rode his tricycle to the moon for all I care.
Only someone as thick as you could believe a minimum limit was the actual size of the graves.
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