### Post by Turnagain on Jun 24, 2022 6:04:46 GMT

Nessie wrote:

Nessie declares that corroboration is all that's needed as a proof. Let's take a look at my claim that "what is possible" takes precedent over corroboration. Nessie claims that the M&H draglines could have dug "large pits" for the graves. The size of the graves as described by the alleged eyewitnesses don't matter due to "what if" the witnesses "mis-estimated" the size of the graves.

We know that the M&H mB dragline (the larger one) could build a stockpile of ex no more than six meters high. That's confirmed by both calculations and photographic evidence of the M&H mB at work in the T-I quarry. IOW, there's no question about it's capabilities. We also know that the fluff (gain) from excavated material can be anywhere from 10% to 25% depending on the material. Let's assume no more than a 15% fluff for the sandy soil at Treblinka.

We know from the calculation and the photographic evidence that the M&H mB could dig a grave no larger than 32 cubic meters of ex per meter of grave. That presents us with the possible sizes of the grave ranging from 1 meter deep and 32 meters wide and 32 meters deep and 1 meter wide. For convenience we can assume a grave 4 meters deep and 8 meters wide for every meter of grave. Pits is pits and 32 cubic meters equals 32 cubic meters. None of the above is an argument from incredulity or any other kind of an argument. It's just a fact that must be taken into consideration. The M&H mB can dig a pit and stockpile the ex from a pit 4 meters deep, 8 meters wide and as long as you want to continue digging.

We know that approximately 725,000 cadavers were claimed to have been buried at Treblinka. At 8 cadavers per cubic meter, a very generous estimate to account for children and compression, we will need 90,625 cubic meters of grave space to accommodate the 725,000 cadavers. That's grave space and doesn't account for any top cover for the graves. From that it's seen that the 4 meter by 8 meter grave would necessarily be 2.3 kilometers (2265 meters) long. That's 18,120 square meters of grave.

Then we have the area of the stockpile. At 6 meters tall and an angle of repose of 45 degrees for damp sand the stockpile will have to be 12 meters wide including fluff. Multiply height and length and the stockpile of ex will total 27,180 square meters and a total of 45,300 square meters or 4.53 hectares. That's for one continuous grave. If each grave was 100 meters long then 23 (22.65) graves would be required. Bear in mind that leaves no room for walkways or wagons/light rail to deliver the cadavers to the graves.

That doesn't leave much room for the old gas chamber, the new gas chamber, the well, the pyres and the sonnderkommando's barracks. Neither does it account for why CS-C couldn't find those 2.3 kilometers of graves.

None of the above is in any way an argument. It's just using what is KNOWN about the draglines, the size of the alleged murder area and the alleged number of victims. If you can find a flaw in my calculations then by all means let's see it. If proven I'll willingly acknowledge.

I said "Give me an example of where Turnagain has provided evidence such as an eyewitness, a document, forensics etc. You will not be able to do that, because all he provides are arguments as to why he does not believe the gassing, grave and cremation claims, as described, were possible."

Nessie declares that corroboration is all that's needed as a proof. Let's take a look at my claim that "what is possible" takes precedent over corroboration. Nessie claims that the M&H draglines could have dug "large pits" for the graves. The size of the graves as described by the alleged eyewitnesses don't matter due to "what if" the witnesses "mis-estimated" the size of the graves.

We know that the M&H mB dragline (the larger one) could build a stockpile of ex no more than six meters high. That's confirmed by both calculations and photographic evidence of the M&H mB at work in the T-I quarry. IOW, there's no question about it's capabilities. We also know that the fluff (gain) from excavated material can be anywhere from 10% to 25% depending on the material. Let's assume no more than a 15% fluff for the sandy soil at Treblinka.

We know from the calculation and the photographic evidence that the M&H mB could dig a grave no larger than 32 cubic meters of ex per meter of grave. That presents us with the possible sizes of the grave ranging from 1 meter deep and 32 meters wide and 32 meters deep and 1 meter wide. For convenience we can assume a grave 4 meters deep and 8 meters wide for every meter of grave. Pits is pits and 32 cubic meters equals 32 cubic meters. None of the above is an argument from incredulity or any other kind of an argument. It's just a fact that must be taken into consideration. The M&H mB can dig a pit and stockpile the ex from a pit 4 meters deep, 8 meters wide and as long as you want to continue digging.

We know that approximately 725,000 cadavers were claimed to have been buried at Treblinka. At 8 cadavers per cubic meter, a very generous estimate to account for children and compression, we will need 90,625 cubic meters of grave space to accommodate the 725,000 cadavers. That's grave space and doesn't account for any top cover for the graves. From that it's seen that the 4 meter by 8 meter grave would necessarily be 2.3 kilometers (2265 meters) long. That's 18,120 square meters of grave.

Then we have the area of the stockpile. At 6 meters tall and an angle of repose of 45 degrees for damp sand the stockpile will have to be 12 meters wide including fluff. Multiply height and length and the stockpile of ex will total 27,180 square meters and a total of 45,300 square meters or 4.53 hectares. That's for one continuous grave. If each grave was 100 meters long then 23 (22.65) graves would be required. Bear in mind that leaves no room for walkways or wagons/light rail to deliver the cadavers to the graves.

That doesn't leave much room for the old gas chamber, the new gas chamber, the well, the pyres and the sonnderkommando's barracks. Neither does it account for why CS-C couldn't find those 2.3 kilometers of graves.

None of the above is in any way an argument. It's just using what is KNOWN about the draglines, the size of the alleged murder area and the alleged number of victims. If you can find a flaw in my calculations then by all means let's see it. If proven I'll willingly acknowledge.