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Post by Nessie on Jun 2, 2022 9:26:20 GMT
You claim on one had gassings as described were physically impossible and then you claim you believe they happened!!! As described in the narrative; he is saying there were limited gassing events probably in the white and red houses. Been-there is now flip flopping between thinking gassings were a physical impossibility and admitting he thinks they likely happened. Questioning him about that just results in his standard response of "you are insane!"
He will not come back to this thread, but I will remind him of his contradictions.
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Post by Ulios on Jun 2, 2022 9:48:19 GMT
I will remind him of his contradictions. Stuff your personal animosity jew. Stick to the facts and make new ones.
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Post by been_there on Jun 2, 2022 10:08:31 GMT
Been-there, you said "I HAVE NEVER written that โI do not think the mass gassing claims are physically possibleโ. You also said "...it is NOT physically possible to gas the claimed number of people at Birkenau..."You said "I have just written the exact opposite; that I think it [gassings of small groups of Jews and PoWs] was not only possible but highly probable."You also said "It is a physically impossible belief that is protected from exposure as a deceit by thought-crime laws"The contradictions are obvious. You claim on one had gassings as described were physically impossible and then you claim you believe they happened!!! You are still lying quite insanely. Seek help! You clearly have serious problems distinguishing reality from your own distorted imaginings. I wrote this: โTo give just one example from many, it is NOT physically possible to gas the claimed number of people at Birkenau with ZyklonB pellets in the time alleged, and then clear the bodies without gas masks so soon after โ as was claimed โ when the pellets would still be omitting invisible, deadly fumes. That is a still believed physical impossibility! It is a physically impossible belief that is protected from exposure as a deceit by thought-crime lawsโ.rodoh.info/post/5931The key words are highlighted for you to help you recognise your own literally insane attempts at deception. The words you dishonestly left out. It was of course physically possible to gas SOME people at Birkenau, or any of the places alleged. But not by the methods claimed, in the numbers claimed in the time-frame claimed. It is the lie-witness claims that are physically impossible. As Turnagain has repeatedly attempted to explain to you, without success. People who were actually involved in alleged mass-gassing proceedures of nearly a million people in the claimed different locations, wouldnโt need to lie and invent physically impossible descriptions. Would they? And yet ALL the lie-witnesses at all the alleged extermination locations DID do that. They DID lie and invent physically impossible details. Any honest, sane person would need to explain why they ALL did that. One or two might have done that, but not ALL of them. Which is why you were asked to present the testimony of just one credible witness. You refused for weeks. Because you knew there arenโt any at all. Then you were asked to give the testimony of just the one most credible witness. As I recall you insanely gave the name of probably the most ludicrous lie-witness, Yankl Wiernik. (But I might be wrong on that small detail).
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Post by Nessie on Jun 2, 2022 10:43:18 GMT
Been-there, you said "I HAVE NEVER written that โI do not think the mass gassing claims are physically possibleโ. You also said "...it is NOT physically possible to gas the claimed number of people at Birkenau..."You said "I have just written the exact opposite; that I think it [gassings of small groups of Jews and PoWs] was not only possible but highly probable."You also said "It is a physically impossible belief that is protected from exposure as a deceit by thought-crime laws"The contradictions are obvious. You claim on one had gassings as described were physically impossible and then you claim you believe they happened!!! You are still lying quite insanely. Seek help! You clearly have serious problems distinguishing reality from your own distorted imaginings. If you were confident of your claims, you would not need to resort to abuse. Repeatedly suggesting I am insane, speaks volumes about you and your argument. Disagreeing with you, is not a sign of insanity. You have been asked to stop by me, others and moderators. You admit that you regard all the witnesses to mass gassings as being liars, as their claims are physically impossible. The obvious conclusion from that is that you do not believe mass gassings took place at the Kremas.
I know it is also Turnagain's argument, which he uses to claim, therefore no gassings. You both use the same argument, but you suggest it does not conclude with there were no gassings.
No. Again, it is hard to reach the conclusion that you accept gassings are "not only possible but highly probable" when you call all the witnesses liars and go on about the physical impossibility of gassings. You are also assuming, again, that a poor description which appears to be physically impossible means the witness lied. You think that only truthful witnesses give matter of fact evidence, with no emotive language and get all their timings and dimensions and numbers correct. The reality is that does not happen. As Vrba said during the Zundel trial, he was not given technical details by the Nazis, so he has had to estimate and there are gaps in his knowledge. Wiernik was not given a guided tour of the gas chambers, so he does not know precisely how they worked. He was not given precise grave dimensions, so he had to estimate. He had a horrific experience and his descriptions are conveying the horror of what he saw. His descriptions are not that of an academic who knows the details are important. You ignore the Nazis give far more matter of fact evidence and it is harder for you to dispute their testimony as physically impossible. The Topf & Sons engineers give expert evidence as to how the Kremas worked, if you want details, read the evidence from the Topf & Sons documents and statements. That evidence is the most compelling of all the evidence that the Kremas were converted to be used for mass gassings. You nitpick the Jewish evidence and then dismiss them as liars because of the way they describe what they saw, as if that is the most accurate and credible way to assess witness evidence. It is not, corroboration is. The Jews are corroborated by the Nazis and both are corroborated by other evidence, such as documents, that there were gas chambers used for mass gassings. When you said "I think it was not only possible but highly probable" about gassings, you are doing what I have seen you do before. When I asked you before, you admitted you believe Oskar Groening and that there were limited gassings in a Bunker next to Birkenau. There is even more evidence for the mass gassings inside the Kremas, so do you accept hundreds of thousands of people were gassed there?
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Post by mrolonzo on Jun 2, 2022 11:18:35 GMT
You are still lying quite insanely. Seek help! You clearly have serious problems distinguishing reality from your own distorted imaginings.ย If you were confident of your claims, you would not need to resort to abuse. Repeatedly suggesting I am insane, speaks volumes about you and your argument. Disagreeing with you, is not a sign of insanity. You have been asked to stop by me, others and moderators. You admit that you regard all the witnesses to mass gassings as being liars, as their claims are physically impossible. The obvious conclusion from that is that you do not believe mass gassings took place at the Kremas.
I know it is also Turnagain's argument, which he uses to claim, therefore no gassings. You both use the same argument, but you suggest it does not conclude with there were no gassings.
No. Again, it is hard to reach the conclusion that you accept gassings are "not only possible but highly probable" when you call all the witnesses liars and go on about the physical impossibility of gassings. You are also assuming, again, that a poor description which appears to be physically impossible means the witness lied. You think that only truthful witnesses give matter of fact evidence, with no emotive language and get all their timings and dimensions and numbers correct. The reality is that does not happen. As Vrba said during the Zundel trial, he was not given technical details by the Nazis, so he has had to estimate and there are gaps in his knowledge. Wiernik was not given a guided tour of the gas chambers, so he does not know precisely how they worked. He was not given precise grave dimensions, so he had to estimate. He had a horrific experience and his descriptions are conveying the horror of what he saw. His descriptions are not that of an academic who knows the details are important. You ignore the Nazis give far more matter of fact evidence and it is harder for you to dispute their testimony as physically impossible. The Topf & Sons engineers give expert evidence as to how the Kremas worked, if you want details, read the evidence from the Topf & Sons documents and statements. That evidence is the most compelling of all the evidence that the Kremas were converted to be used for mass gassings. You nitpick the Jewish evidence and then dismiss them as liars because of the way they describe what they saw, as if that is the most accurate and credible way to assess witness evidence. It is not, corroboration is. The Jews are corroborated by the Nazis and both are corroborated by other evidence, such as documents, that there were gas chambers used for mass gassings. When you said "I think it was not only possible but highly probable" about gassings, you are doing what I have seen you do before. When I asked you before, you admitted you believe Oskar Groening and that there were limited gassings in a Bunker next to Birkenau. There is even more evidence for the mass gassings inside the Kremas, so do you accept hundreds of thousands of people were gassed there? Wiernik certainly claims to have been there, and could even have been there. Its more likely that he turned his resentment into gross exaggeration. He exaggerates the nature of the crime as he exaggerates the circumstances of the environment. The lack of a holocaust is corroborated by technical and documentary evidence across the entire Reich. You have neither motive, nor weapon, nor body.
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Post by been_there on Jun 2, 2022 11:28:29 GMT
You are still lying quite insanely. Seek help! You clearly have serious problems distinguishing reality from your own distorted imaginings. If you were confident of your claims,... [blah, blah, blah]I obviously am confident of my position. The reality I am pointing to is your literally insane confusion and failure to distinguish beyween reality and your own distortions of it. I am not abusing you. I am genuinely encouraging you to Seek professional help for you very clear cognitive problems. Just go and get a professional second opinion, if nothing else. Stop avoiding it. It is not only myself who has noticed it. It is only โhardโ for you because you have a comprehension disability. I ONLY โgo onโ about โthe physical impossibilityโ of the CLAIMED mass-gassings, by the methods claimed, in the numbers claimed, in the time-frame claimed!! That you canโt comprehend that simple distinction confirms thay you have a problem distinguishing reality from phantasy. Again in your mind you have over-simplified, misunderstood and distorted what I wrote about Grรถnings testimony. I wrote that in my opinion it is the most credible I know of, but there are still problematical issues with it. AND he didnโt describe anything confirming the alleged but unevidenced Jew-genocide process of selections and mass-gassings disguised as mass-gassings in crematoria! [Sheesh! ๐๐คฆโโ๏ธ!] There is no empirical evidence for that. Ephraim Kaye admitted that. And he Director of Yad Vashem. You are in denial of that, too. Seek help, your dishonest, delusional denial of reality on these points is almost certainly a sign of other mental issues.
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Post by Nessie on Jun 2, 2022 11:56:49 GMT
If you were confident of your claims,... [blah, blah, blah]I obviously am confident of my position. The reality I am pointing to is your literally insane confusion and failure to distinguish beyween reality and your own distortions of it. I am not abusing you. I am genuinely encouraging you to Seek professional help for you very clear cognitive problems. Just go and get a professional second opinion, if nothing else. Stop avoiding it. It is not only myself who has noticed it. You dodged answering this question before. What should I say to a psychologist? That some anonymous person on the Internet thinks I am clinically insane because I supposedly do not understand his deluded arguments! It is you who is insane and needs help. Go to a psychologist and tell them about your beliefs regarding the Holocaust, so they can try and unravel your confusion and explain to you where you have gine wrong. You make claims that can only read as disputing the evidence for gassings, such as the witnesses are liars. You use a form of argument, about physical impossibility, that is identical to others who claim no gassings. Then you flip flop and suggest you do accept some gassings are likely to have happened. You have been hoisted by your own petard, where you make denier claims and then dispute you are a denier. If you do not want to be confused with a denier, stop using denier arguments!!!
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Post by Nessie on Jun 3, 2022 17:15:33 GMT
Been-there, will you answer the following please;
How many, if any, Jews or POWs were gassed at the AR camps?
How many at A-B in the various gas chambers there?
How many were gassed as part of the T4 euthanasia project at various sites around Germany and Poland?
When you say mass gassing as described by witnesses at TII, are you saying there were no mass gassings at all there, or maybe some were gassed?
If you don't know the numbers, just say so.
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Post by been_there on Jun 3, 2022 19:10:43 GMT
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Post by Nessie on Jun 4, 2022 14:16:38 GMT
Why are you unable to say how many you think were, of any gassed? You have been looking at this topic for a long time now. Have you not learned anything yet?
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