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Post by been_there on Jun 1, 2022 10:50:42 GMT
1. Revising is a verb, not a noun. 2. People who seek a fair and rigorous revising of this particular, protected, fixed, off-limits narrative are not one fixed body. 3. Therefore there is no unanimous โrevisionistโ fixed position or crede. Do we agree? Yes to 1. No to 2. The revising revisionists propose, is not fair and rigorous. It is based on arguments using logical fallacies and is designed to promote a hoax. A partial yes to 3. Whilst there is some variance in the revisionist position, its core is that there were no mass gassings. Mass gassings either took place inside the AR camps and A-B Kremas, or they did not. There is no middle ground to that. How many represents a โmass-gassingโ is key, and thus your propensity to reduce everything down to over-simplified and therefore logically fallacious dicothomies obstructs and prevents rational, reasonable, fair debate. As I have reatedly explained I personally believe some killings of Jews and PoWs very probably did occur. But you are again denying the objective reality of me having and expressing that position. Such denial of such basic reality is literally an issue to do with sanity. As YOU are the only one here with a fixed, absolutist, inflexible belief that denies basic, observable reality, that means you are ironically describing yourself as anti-semitic. |
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Post by Nessie on Jun 1, 2022 11:03:11 GMT
A thread to discuss whether millions or a few thousand, or no one at all was gassed.
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Post by Nessie on Jun 1, 2022 11:07:52 GMT
Yes to 1. No to 2. The revising revisionists propose, is not fair and rigorous. It is based on arguments using logical fallacies and is designed to promote a hoax. A partial yes to 3. Whilst there is some variance in the revisionist position, its core is that there were no mass gassings. Mass gassings either took place inside the AR camps and A-B Kremas, or they did not. There is no middle ground to that. How many represents a โmass-gassingโ is key, and thus your propensity to reduce everything down to over-simplified and therefore logically fallacious dicothomies obstructs and prevents rational, reasonable, fair debate. As I have reatedly explained I personally believe some killings of Jews and PoWs very probably did occur. But you are again denying the objective reality of me having and expressing that position. Such denial of such basic reality is literally an issue to do with sanity. As YOU are the only one here with a fixed, absolutist, inflexible belief that denies basic, observable reality, that means you are ironically describing yourself as anti-semitic. Please expand on your claims. How many, if any, Jews or POWs were gassed at the AR camps? How many at A-B in the various gas chambers there? How many were gassed as part of the T4 euthanasia project at various sites around Germany and Poland? When you say mass gassing as described by witnesses at TII, are you saying there were no mass gassings at all there, or maybe some were gassed? If you don't know the numbers, just say so. |
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Post by been_there on Jun 1, 2022 11:56:56 GMT
How many represents a โmass-gassingโ is key, and thus your propensity to reduce everything down to over-simplified and therefore logically fallacious dicothomies obstructs and prevents rational, reasonable, fair debate. As I have reatedly explained I personally believe some killings of Jews and PoWs very probably did occur. But you are again denying the objective reality of me having and expressing that position. Such denial of such basic reality is literally an issue to do with sanity. As YOU are the only one here with a fixed, absolutist, inflexible belief that denies basic, observable reality, that means you are ironically describing yourself as anti-semitic. Please expand on your claims. I havenโt made any โclaimsโ. Unlike you I am agnostic and open to pursuasion. Unlike you I also want there to be open, fair debate by experts to resolve these issues. I do not claim to be an expert. You and others like you prevent and support the prevention of fair, open debate. You do that by FALSELY demonising and vilifying people as โdeniersโ if they: raise questions; highlight problematical issues; demonstrate physical impossibilities in the narrative; call for the lifting of the prohibition of fair open debate. You also deny and misrepresent the very real persecution of such people. As you have just done with the case of Prof Hall. |
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Post by Nessie on Jun 1, 2022 14:07:38 GMT
Please expand on your claims. I havenโt made any โclaimsโ. Unlike you I am agnostic and open to pursuasion. ...You have claimed that you do not think the mass gassing claims are physically possible;
"So if YOU believe the convergence-of-evidence bullsh*t belief, then YOU have to explain how these alleged methods of murdering millions with gas in the time claimed, by the process claimed, in the particular type of buildings that was claimed, and then miraculously cremating them to leave no trace, was physically possible!"
So, if you do not think the gassings at TII, as alleged by witnesses were physically possible, then you are denying that there were any gassings at that camp. So, your answer for TII is no one was gassed. Since the gas chambers at Belzec and Sobibor were the same, then you are claiming there were no gassings there either.
Do you accept the physical possibility of gassed by use of vans at Chelmno?
You said about the gas chambers at A-B;
"To give just one example from many, it is NOT physically possible to gas the claimed number of people at Birkenau with ZyklonB pellets in the time alleged, and then clear the bodies without gas masks so soon after โ as was claimed โ when the pellets would still be omitting invisible, deadly fumes. That is a still believed physical impossibility! It is a physically impossible belief that is protected from exposure as a deceit by thought-crime laws"
Is it just the description you are claiming is a physical impossibility, or are you also doubting mass gassings took place at A-B?
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Post by been_there on Jun 1, 2022 16:04:10 GMT
I havenโt made any โclaimsโ. Unlike you I am agnostic and open to pursuasion. ...You have claimed that you do not think the mass gassing claims are physically possible;
"So if YOU believe the convergence-of-evidence bullsh*t belief, then YOU have to explain how these alleged methods of murdering millions with gas in the time claimed, by the process claimed, in the particular type of buildings that was claimed, and then miraculously cremating them to leave no trace, was physically possible!" This is your problem: you canโt understand what is being explained to you. You have a comprehension disability. Andca stubborn refusal to be corrected. I HAVE NEVER written that โI do not think the mass gassing claims are physically possibleโ. I have just written the exact opposite; that I think it was not only possible but highly probable. That in your head that becomes the complete opposite, is proof you literally have a sanity issue. One that you refuse to address. One that you reject on areas of your board where you wonโt let me reply (censorship). Please stop dodging it and address it! |
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Post by Nessie on Jun 1, 2022 16:34:42 GMT
You have claimed that you do not think the mass gassing claims are physically possible; "So if YOU believe the convergence-of-evidence bullsh*t belief, then YOU have to explain how these alleged methods of murdering millions with gas in the time claimed, by the process claimed, in the particular type of buildings that was claimed, and then miraculously cremating them to leave no trace, was physically possible!" This is your problem: you canโt understand what is being explained to you. You have a comprehension disability. Andca stubborn refusal to be corrected. I HAVE NEVER written that โI do not think the mass gassing claims are physically possibleโ. I have just written the exact opposite; that I think it was not only possible but highly probable. What I have quoted you saying above very much reads as you saying the mass gassings did not happen. You call the way the gassings are evidenced as "bullshit". You make it clear you do not believe the witnesses to gassings. You then make the untrue claim that there are no traces of the subsequent cremations. In no way can what I quoted you saying above, be interpreted as you thinking mass gassings are possible and probable. You are yet again annoyed that I do not sheepishly agree with you, so you question my sanity. |
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Post by mrolonzo on Jun 1, 2022 17:38:51 GMT
How many represents a โmass-gassingโ is key, and thus your propensity to reduce everything down to over-simplified and therefore logically fallacious dicothomies obstructs and prevents rational, reasonable, fair debate. As I have reatedly explained I personally believe some killings of Jews and PoWs very probably did occur.ย But you are again denying the objective reality of me having and expressing that position. Such denial of such basic reality is literally an issue to do with sanity. As YOU are the only one here with a fixed, absolutist, inflexible belief that deniesย basic, observable reality, that means you are ironically describing yourself as anti-semitic. Please expand on your claims. How many, if any, Jews or POWs were gassed at the AR camps? None. How many at A-B in the various gas chambers there? None. How many were gassed as part of the T4 euthanasia project at various sites around Germany and Poland? None. Perhaps there were some mercy killings but this was by injection and was a kindness. When you say mass gassing as described by witnesses at TII, are you saying there were no mass gassings at all there, or maybe some were gassed? No gassings major or minor. Of anyone. Ever. If you don't know the numbers, just say so. It's pretty easy to estimate such a low number given the impossibility of the events. |
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Post by been_there on Jun 1, 2022 18:18:44 GMT
This is your problem: you canโt understand what is being explained to you. You have a comprehension disability. And a stubborn refusal to be corrected.I HAVE NEVER written that โI do not think the mass gassing claims are physically possibleโ. I have just written the exact opposite; that I think it was not only possible but highly probable. What I have quoted you saying above very much reads as you saying the mass gassings did not happen. You call the way the gassings are evidenced as "bullsh*t". You make it clear you do not believe the witnesses to gassings. You then make the untrue claim that there are no traces of the subsequent cremations. In no way can what I quoted you saying above, be interpreted as you thinking mass gassings are possible and probable. You are yet again annoyed that I do not sheepishly agree with you, so you question my sanity. Yeah, you are again proving you can not comprehend statements of any nuance or complex. You reduce everything down to distorted, simplified black-and-white, false dichotomies. Even if I underline and emphasise key words, that makes no dfference to you. You literally can not distinguish between reality and your own distorted perceptions. |
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Post by Nessie on Jun 1, 2022 18:32:48 GMT
Please expand on your claims. How many, if any, Jews or POWs were gassed at the AR camps? None. How many at A-B in the various gas chambers there? None. How many were gassed as part of the T4 euthanasia project at various sites around Germany and Poland? None. Perhaps there were some mercy killings but this was by injection and was a kindness. When you say mass gassing as described by witnesses at TII, are you saying there were no mass gassings at all there, or maybe some were gassed? No gassings major or minor. Of anyone. Ever. If you don't know the numbers, just say so. It's pretty easy to estimate such a low number given the impossibility of the events. Thank you for your answer. |
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Post by Nessie on Jun 1, 2022 18:37:35 GMT
.... In no way can what I quoted you saying above, be interpreted as you thinking mass gassings are possible and probable.... Let's look at what you said; "So if YOU believe the convergence-of-evidence bullsh*t belief, then YOU have to explain how these alleged methods of murdering millions with gas in the time claimed, by the process claimed, in the particular type of buildings that was claimed, and then miraculously cremating them to leave no trace, was physically possible!" "To give just one example from many, it is NOT physically possible to gas the claimed number of people at Birkenau with ZyklonB pellets in the time alleged, and then clear the bodies without gas masks so soon after โ as was claimed โ when the pellets would still be omitting invisible, deadly fumes. That is a still believed physical impossibility! It is a physically impossible belief that is protected from exposure as a deceit by thought-crime laws" Explain what you mean by both of those sentences. |
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Post by been_there on Jun 1, 2022 20:27:36 GMT
.... In no way can what I quoted you saying above, be interpreted as you thinking mass gassings are possible and probable.... Let's look at what you said; "So if YOU believe the convergence-of-evidence bullsh*t belief, then YOU have to explain how these alleged methods of murdering millions with gas in the time claimed, by the process claimed, in the particular type of buildings that was claimed, and then miraculously cremating them to leave no trace, was physically possible!" "To give just one example from many, it is NOT physically possible to gas the claimed number of people at Birkenau with ZyklonB pellets in the time alleged, and then clear the bodies without gas masks so soon after โ as was claimed โ when the pellets would still be omitting invisible, deadly fumes. That is a still believed physical impossibility! It is a physically impossible belief that is protected from exposure as a deceit by thought-crime laws" Explain what you mean by both of those sentences. I have tried to explain numerous times now, but you have repeatedly shown that you can not comprehend the most basic sentences. You distort them in your mind and understand them to have the exact opposite of their intended meaning. You need professional help. I mean that sincerely. Seek psychological assistance. |
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Post by Ulios on Jun 1, 2022 20:47:21 GMT
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Post by Nessie on Jun 2, 2022 9:12:41 GMT
Been-there, you said "I HAVE NEVER written that โI do not think the mass gassing claims are physically possibleโ.
You also said "...it is NOT physically possible to gas the claimed number of people at Birkenau..."
You said "I have just written the exact opposite; that I think it was not only possible but highly probable."
You also said "It is a physically impossible belief that is protected from exposure as a deceit by thought-crime laws"
The contradictions are obvious. You claim on one had gassings as described were physically impossible and then you claim you believe they happened!!!
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Post by Ulios on Jun 2, 2022 9:19:48 GMT
You claim on one had gassings as described were physically impossible and then you claim you believe they happened!!! As described in the narrative; he is saying there were limited gassing events probably in the white and red houses. |
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