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Post by been_there on Jul 16, 2022 20:08:21 GMT
QUESTION: What sort of person can not understand simple sentences, principles of logic and/or facts AND THEN deletes and censors civil but critical replies that point that FACT out? Answer: a deeply delusional person who can not discuss honestly, intelligently or logically. The answer from me is, a person who is not prepared to put up with abuse and take lessons in logic from someone who repeatedly uses illogical arguments. 1. It is notable that you refuse to post anything that relates to me, without including your opinions on the state of my mental health and intelligence. 2. We all know what you think, you include it in numerous posts. 3. Are you able to keep your opinions to yourself and debate me? 1. You asked me to debate you. Thereby you unwittingly acknowledge that โdebatingโ you AND the content of your replies is both synonymous and appropriate and entirely acceptable I argue that logically it is entirely sensible and fitting to link the consistently stupid, illogical and psychotic replies with the person making them. 2. Consequently opinions and refutations regarding the REPEATED stupidity, illogicality and miscomprehension of your โnumerousโ replies stating the exact same refuted nonsense, will require to be repeated just as long as you go on repeating them. Do you see? It is again a matter of extremely simple logic again. Do you understand it yet? 3, I did debate you and your nonsense ideas, claims and miscomprehensions. Using logic I have pointed out that someone who has a perception and comprehension disability is one possible explanation for them so consistently misunderstanding, denying, disbelieving and arguing against extremely simple basic facts of science, physics, biology and logic. I gave examples showing why I believe that. Instead of responding to those examples, explanations and demonstrations of your stupid, insane and ilogical replies, you chose instead to censor them. And this despite being requested not to do so but to refute them if you could using sane, rationality. Your refusal and inability to reply coherently, rationally and intelligently to logical arguments ironically is further proof of the lack of sanity, logicality and intelligence in your REPLIES. N.B. The above observations are again concerning your replies. I hope you are sane enough, intelligent enough and honest enough to acknowledge this distinction. |
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Post by been_there on Jul 16, 2022 20:25:37 GMT
Question - if a witness describes something that is possible in a way that makes it appear impossible, does it mean the witness is making a claim that is impossible?. Been-there's answer - "Of course it does." Been-there is wrong for two reasons. The first is that the blindingly obvious one, that what is being described is actually possible. The second is because there is more than one logical conclusion that can be derived from the premise. It was well within German engineering and construction abilities, to ... [iblah, blah, incredibly stupid irrelevant nonsense, blah, blah, blah] It is logically possible for a witness description about something that is possible, to appear to be impossible...It is obviously possible, that when a witness describes thousands being packed into a space that could only fit hundreds, that witness has overestimated. The same applies to witness estimations of grave sizes, the numbers cremated, the amount of wood used etc. Did the witness lie, or did they overestimate? Deniers cry lies, when overestimation is just as likely. Another incredibly moronic reply, that if we apply basic logic presumes the person making it is either i.) deliberately trolling with nonsense or is ii.) a person suffering a severe case of Dunning-Kruger syndrome and is of extremely small intellect. I will use this insanely stupid example above to demonstrate. Reminder, here is the premise: โif a witness describes something that is possible in a way that makes it appear impossible, it does not mean the witness is making a claim that is impossible!โRIDICULOUS CLAIMED EXAMPLE: โa witness describes thousands being packed into a space that could only fit hundredsโ.Sane, logical question: is it possible to fit thousands of people in a space sufficient only for hundreds?Rational, sane, logical answer: NO! That is an impossible claim. |
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Post by been_there on Jul 16, 2022 21:06:52 GMT
During the onset of the age of enlightenment in Europe, reason, knowledge, scientific advancement and the pursuit of truth was feared, mistrusted, misrepresented and censored by those who insisted on belief in the existing order. Those insisting on obedient belief belonged to the two areas of human society: monarchy and church.
The church insisted on obedient, irrational belief in their dogma.
The monarchy relied on the churches control over the minds of people, particularly the notion of the divine right and appointment of Kings.
Both of these were refuted and undermined by the advent of scientific advancement which explained the realm of objective reality in ways that the church not only couldnโt but were in denial of.
Consequently men like Thomas Paine, Diderot, Voltaire, the Marquis de Pombal and others had not only to combat resistance to present their ideas, they also had to explain why those resisting them were part of an erroneous world view.
The struggle was between reason, research and pursuit of truth on the one side and dogmatism, inflexible tradition, and the bigoted belief that the truth was already known on the other.
We see this same dichotomy and struggle being repeated today with the secular โreligionsโ of our own times, such as the holocaust belief system.
Logic, reason, scientific research and the pusuit of truth regarding the experience of European Jewry during WW2 are feared, mistrusted, misrepresented and censored by those who insist on belief in the existing order. Censorship and punishment for dissenting views are again the modus operandi.
And again ignorant, true-believers are proud of their abiding faith in the refuted dogmas and consider it virtuous to revile and persecute those seeking truth and the advancement of knowledge.
As we see here at RODOH in the delusional, dishonest and illogical arguments of one individual. ๐
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Post by Nessie on Jul 17, 2022 8:01:22 GMT
The answer from me is, a person who is not prepared to put up with abuse and take lessons in logic from someone who repeatedly uses illogical arguments. 1. It is notable that you refuse to post anything that relates to me, without including your opinions on the state of my mental health and intelligence. 2. We all know what you think, you include it in numerous posts. 3. Are you able to keep your opinions to yourself and debate me? 1. You asked me to debate you. Thereby you unwittingly acknowledge that โdebatingโ you AND the content of your replies is both synonymous and appropriate and entirely acceptable I argue that logically it is entirely sensible and fitting to link the consistently stupid, illogical and psychotic replies with the person making them. It is against forum rules to attack the person making the argument, you use exactly the same attacks on the argument that you use on the person, as a sneaky backdoor way to keep on abusing your opponent. Your tactic is obvious, it is to keep up your use of abusive words questioning sanity, mental health and intelligence, whilst pretending it is OK. Everyone else manages to attack the argument without attacking the person, only you constantly link the two. All the debates I have here and on other forums, are not littered with comment about the sanity, idiocy etc of the argument being made. You go totally over the top, referencing your opinion on sanity, idiocy etc in more or less every single post, often multiple times in each post. Make your arguments without the constant references to stupidity, insanity etc. Everyone else manages to do it. All you need to do is say why you think an argument is wrong, without declaring it stupid, insane or other similar insult. |
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Post by been_there on Jul 17, 2022 11:16:13 GMT
1. You asked me to debate you. Thereby you unwittingly acknowledge that โdebatingโ you AND the content of your replies is both synonymous and appropriate and entirely acceptable I argue that logically it is entirely sensible and fitting to link the consistently stupid, illogical and psychotic replies with the person making them. Make your arguments without the constant references to stupidity, insanity etc. Everyone else manages to do it. All you need to do is say why you think an argument is wrong, without declaring it stupid, insane or other similar insult. My replies are not attacks or abuse. My argument is that your replies are literally stupid, and rely on insane applications of logic. As I have just demonstrated. A logical demonstration which you just dodged. So... If you are not: a.) calculatedly and deliberately doing that to troll the forum, or b.) unfortunately of extremely low intelligence and have psychotic issues, please explain why you REPEATEDLY write replies containing denial of basic laws of physics, biology, logic and reason and why you use examples of logic that demand the intelligent reader to question your sanity. Everyone else manages to write reasonable, intelligent posts that even if we disagee to not cause us to question the intelligence and sanity of the other. All you need to do is respond sanely and intelligently to this post and answer the questions it poses. ๐ |
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Post by been_there on Jul 17, 2022 11:24:30 GMT
As another post using basic logic has been censored, I will repeat the demonstration showing a literally insane application of logic here. Here is the censored post and the one it is replying to and refuting: rodoh.info/post/9690Whether a witness has lied or just over-estimated does not alter the fact that they made an impossible claim. Obviously. And this is such an extremely simple fact of basic logic, that if someone refuses to acknowledge it, and insists on arguing about it ad nauseum, then they must either be deliberately trolling and/or unable to comprehend it due to some form of mental impairment. |
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Post by Nessie on Jul 17, 2022 14:51:37 GMT
Been-there, I will only debate you, if you cut out all references to stupidity, insanity, intelligence, mental health and similar, in reference to either me or my arguments. Keep your abusive opinions of me and my arguments to yourself, and debate me by making logical and evidenced refutations of my claims and points. Everyone else manages to do that, you are the only exception.
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Post by been_there on Jul 17, 2022 15:04:17 GMT
Been-there, I will only debate you, if you cut out all references to stupidity, insanity, intelligence, mental health and similar, in reference to either me or my arguments. Keep your abusive opinions of me and my arguments to yourself, and debate me by making logical and evidenced refutations of my claims and points. Oh boy! ๐คฆโโ๏ธ This thread is about lessons in logic. What you are again failing to understand is that I am discussing the stupidity, and insane logic of your replies, repeated ad nauseum, concerning the facts regarding the unevidenced mass-gassing genocide-of-Jews during WW2. Stop dodging that and respond as sanely and intelligently as you are able. I have demonstrated why your claims are stupid and your examples claiming to represent logic show an extremely weak grasp of basic reality. I have demonstrated why I think there are only two explanations for that. If you can refute them, of have an alternative explanation for them and their literally insane denial of basic rules of logic, please do provide it. Otherwise, if you cannot do that, then stop trolling this topic thread. |
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Post by Turnagain on Jul 17, 2022 16:38:44 GMT
Nessie wrote:
Your endless repetitions of "what if" and "coulda woulda" DO sound unhinged. been-there is just trying to point that out to you.
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Post by been_there on Jul 19, 2022 20:16:10 GMT
Another crazy reply. ๐คฆโโ๏ธ Nobody is arguing there were no mass graves at all. That you insist on this deceitful strawman distortion after it has been explained to you multiple times, is yet another sign of your deranged approach and craziness. The obvious fact is that there is no evidence of 725,000 corpses being buried in the area alleged at T2. [Sheesh! ๐]I have seen deniers [non-believers/skeptics] admit that there are likely graves at TII,
...I have never seen a denier [non-believer/skeptic] accept that...[snip]
...It is certainly denied [not believed] that there are mass graves containing hundreds of thousands of bodies at TII.
If you can point me to a denier [non-believer/skeptic] who accepts mass graves at TII, please do so. You are speaking like a cultish true-believer when you insist on demonising anyone who doesnโt share your cultish belief-system with the innaccurate and deliberately perjorative pseudonym โ denierโ. Disbelief/skepticism is not denial. Show the empirical evidence of ground disturbance and cremains consistent with 725,000 bodies at T2 and revisionists will accept it. The truth and facts are that there hasnโt been provided such empirical evidence. That you canโt admit this simple fact is the true DENIAL of objective reality. And that denial is literally insane behaviour. Check the dictionary definition of the word insane if you doubt it. You donโt even understand what the word empirical means when applied to your cultish, true-believer, crazy belief. And that is just one of many words you refuse to understand when it concerns your cultish belief-system. Again, crazy behaviour. You demonstrate repeateadly that you are beyond reason on the topic of your precious holyco$t mass-gassing narrative.  |
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Post by been_there on Jul 20, 2022 17:22:29 GMT
I have seen deniers [non-believers/skeptics] admit that there are likely graves at TII...
If you can point me to a denier [non-believer/skeptic] who accepts mass graves at TII, please do so. You are speaking like a cultish true-believer when you insist on demonising anyone who doesnโt share your cultish belief-system with the innaccurate and deliberately perjorative pseudonym โ denierโ. Disbelief/skepticism is not denial. Show the empirical evidence of ground disturbance and cremains consistent with 725,000 bodies at T2 and revisionists will accept it. The truth and facts are that there hasnโt been provided such empirical evidence. That you canโt admit this simple fact is the true DENIAL of objective reality. And that denial is literally insane behaviour. Check the dictionary definition of the word insane if you doubt it. You donโt even understand what the word empirical means when applied to your cultish, true-believer, crazy belief. And that is just one of many words you refuse to understand when it concerns your cultish belief-system. Again, crazy behaviour. You demonstrate repeateadly that you are beyond reason on the topic of your precious holyco$t mass-gassing narrative. : Spot the contradiction and the insane illogic of the two contradictory statements in this literally insane reply. NESSIE CONCEDED THIS: โ I have seen deniers [non-believers/skeptics] admit that there are likely graves at TII...โ NESSIE THEN ASKED THIS:
โ...If you can point me to a denier [non-believer/skeptic] who accepts mass graves at TII, please do so.โDoes it logically follow from the above that this is further proof we genuinely are plagued by an irrational H-believer who has mental issues? |
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Post by Nessie on Jul 21, 2022 18:11:12 GMT
This moved post is not gibberish, it is a reply to the above and on topic rodoh.info/post/9818/threadBeen-there quote mining without context, to make it appear I have contradicted myself, does not logically mean I have mental health issues. |
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Post by been_there on Jul 23, 2022 8:28:52 GMT
You are speaking like a cultish true-believer when you insist on demonising anyone who doesnโt share your cultish belief-system with the perjorative of โdenierโ... : Spot the contradiction and the insane illogic of the two contradictory statements in this literally insane reply. NESSIE CONCEDED THIS: โ I have seen deniers [non-believers/skeptics] admit that there are likely graves at TII...โ NESSIE THEN ASKED THIS:
โ...If you can point me to a denier [non-believer/skeptic] who accepts mass graves at TII, please do so.โDoes it logically follow from the above that this is further proof we genuinely are plagued by an irrational H-believer who has mental issues? The above has no removal from context. There is a blatant and EXTREMELY OBVIOUS contradiction here which is demonstrated by removing all the intervening ramblings. That the quite crazed author canโt admit it and seeks to further lie and obfuscate is proof of the logical conclusion suggested above. ๐คช |
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Post by Nessie on Jul 23, 2022 9:28:19 GMT
Lessons in logic: Spot the contradiction and the insane illogic of the two contradictory statements in this literally insane reply. NESSIE CONCEDED THIS: โ I have seen deniers [non-believers/skeptics] admit that there are likely graves at TII...โ NESSIE THEN ASKED THIS:
โ...If you can point me to a denier [non-believer/skeptic] who accepts mass graves at TII, please do so.โDoes it logically follow from the above that this is further proof we genuinely are plagued by an irrational H-believer who has mental issues? The above has no removal from context. There is a blatant and EXTREMELY OBVIOUS contradiction here which is demonstrated by removing all the intervening ramblings. That the quite crazed author canโt admit it and seeks to further lie and obfuscate is proof of the logical conclusion suggested above. ๐คช There clearly has been removal from content. You have not quoted what was said before or after or linked to the source of the quotes. You have admitted to removing everything else! The full quote is;
"I have seen deniers admit that there are likely graves at TII, as people died on the trains and there was disease at the camp. I have never seen a denier accept that those mass graves could contain any significant number. It is certainly denied that there are mass graves containing hundreds of thousands of bodies at TII. If you can point me to a denier who accepts mass graves at TII, please do so. I would like to find out how many mass graves they accept and how many were buried in those pits."
Deniers admit there are graves at TII, but those graves are not mass graves containing hundreds of thousands of bodies, if you know of a denier who accepts mass graves containing hundreds of thousands of bodies, please show me.
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Post by been_there on Jul 23, 2022 14:37:32 GMT
The above has no removal from context. There is a blatant and EXTREMELY OBVIOUS contradiction here which is demonstrated by removing all the intervening ramblings. That the quite crazed author canโt admit it and seeks to further lie and obfuscate is proof of the logical conclusion suggested above. ๐คช
" I have seen deniers skeptics admit that there are likely graves at TII, as people died on the trains and there was disease at the camp. I have never seen a denier skeptic accept that those mass graves could contain any significant number. It is certainly denied that there are mass graves containing hundreds of thousands of bodies at TII. If you can point me to a denier skeptic who accepts mass graves at TII, please do so. I would like to find out how many mass graves they accept and how many were buried in those pits."
Deniers skeptics admit there are graves at TII, but those graves are not mass graves containing hundreds of thousands of bodies, if you know of a denier skeptic who accepts mass graves containing hundreds of thousands of bodies, please show me.
In any case, since when was being contradictory proof of a mental issue? POINT 1: The cumulative conclusion of multitudes of posts adding NOTHING of consequence or assistance in establishing historical truth, and instead being only reams of incoherent, illogical, dishonest and idiotic obfuscatory ramblings, points to a severe deficit in IQ. POINT 2: That the proof of the above is consistently met by denial, refusal to admit blatant error and a doubling down on nonsense, together lead to the logical conclusion of some sort of mental issue. Having points of vigorous disagreement is entirely acceptable, especially on such an emotive, contentious controversy as the racist, anti-German, Jewish-holocaust, mass-gassing hate-trope. But the above mentioned behaviour (over years) goes way beyond that. It is THAT which is evidence of some sort of psychosis. Plus, the reality being denied/refuted/insanely non-comprehended in this particular thread is that very recently I myself acknowledged the existence of โmass-gravesโ at T2, and I know I am not alone in that. The reality is that the existence of mass-graves at T2 has never been denied. It is only the claim of them once containing 725,000 corpses and later cremains of 800,000 to 900,000 people which is being demonstrated has NO empirical or documentary evidence supporting it. LOGICAL CONCLUSION: To any sane individual this would be quite a simple point to understand, accept and refute if possible. But not so if someone were mentally deficient in some way. |
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