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Post by Nessie on Jun 4, 2022 16:49:26 GMT
The question was "Please explain how you would dismiss this claim without committing the "fallacy of incredulity"" The answer is that I would investigate the claim to see if it was evidenced or not. Asking for claims to be evidenced is best practice and should be standard.
That is another moronic miscomprehension. ๐คฆโโ๏ธ The question was how you โ or anyone โ could dismiss a claim someone told you, that you doubted but had no way YET of checking. ... I explained to you how I would go about checking the claim made. I would not dismiss the claim until the check was complete. |
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Post by Turnagain on Jun 4, 2022 23:13:59 GMT
Nessie wrote:
There were witnesses who claimed that mass murder took place. There is no physical proof that mass murder was committed. Revenge and hiding their own atrocities were the motives behind the tribunals.
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Post by been_there on Jun 5, 2022 7:21:50 GMT
That is another moronic miscomprehension. ๐คฆโโ๏ธ The question was how you โ or anyone โ could dismiss a claim someone told you, that you doubted but had no way YET of checking. I explained to you how I would go about checking the claim made. I would not dismiss the claim until the check was complete. But Gibson did NOT ask you how you would go about โchecking the claimโ. He didnโt do that, did he? He asked you something else. Didnโt he? And you are dodging that because it exposes the stupidity of your โargument from incredulityโ response. |
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Post by been_there on Jun 5, 2022 7:49:00 GMT
The ad hominem fallacy: "This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, only an irrelevant attack is made against the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument."MORE LESSONS IN LOGIC: Look at the words highlighted. An ad hominem reply doesnโt adress the argument but INSTEAD attacks the person only. That is not what I have done. I demolished an argument using logic, facts and rational. The example used is the case of the Hรถfle telegram. The FACTS are that currently it IS the only known intercept in the Bletchley Park archives [ link] that purportsvto be about Jew-genocide in Aktion Reinhardt camps. That is a really basic, indisputable FACT!!!!! (It is not an unevidenced โclaimโ) That someone would still refuse to concede this fact suggests signs of a serious mental impairment. That being because it is not mentally healthy to so regularly lie, misunderstand, misrepresent and stubbornly deny basic reality. SUMMARY: Confirming the facts; exposing the logic in asking for evidence of a negative; PLUS making the above observation is NOT an ad hominem argument. Plus... the Dunning-Kruger syndrome isnโt a perjorative, it is a real condition. The first step to solving a problem is FIRST recognising that there is one. The second step is diagnosing what exactly it is. The third step is deciding the cure. The fourth step is applying it. |
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Post by been_there on Jun 5, 2022 8:47:58 GMT
The ad hominem fallacy: "This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, only an irrelevant attack is made against the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument."MORE LESSONS IN LOGIC: Look at the words highlighted. An ad hominem reply doesnโt adress the argument but INSTEAD attacks the person only. That is not what I have done. I demolished an argument using logic, facts and rational. The example used is the case of the Hรถfle telegram. The FACTS are that currently it IS the only known intercept in the Bletchley Park archives [ link] that purportsvto be about Jew-genocide in Aktion Reinhardt camps. That is a really basic, indisputable FACT!!!!! (It is not an unevidenced โclaimโ) That someone would still refuse to concede this fact suggests signs of a serious mental impairment. That being because it is not mentally healthy to so regularly lie, misunderstand, misrepresent and stubbornly deny basic reality. SUMMARY: Confirming the facts; exposing the logic in asking for evidence of a negative; PLUS making the above observation is NOT an ad hominem argument. Plus... the Dunning-Kruger syndrome isnโt a perjorative, it is a real condition. The first step to solving a problem is FIRST recognising that there is one. The second step is diagnosing what exactly it is. The third step is deciding the cure. The fourth step is applying it.
You have moved the goalposts from
"The REALITY is that the Hรถfle telegram is the ONLY supposedly deciphered intercept discovered in the Bletchley Park archives that was sent concerning the alleged programme to mass-murder 11 million Jews."
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"The FACTS are that currently it IS the only known intercept in the Bletchley Park archives that purports to be about Jew-genocide in Aktion Reinhardt camps"
Your second claim is correct. ๐ฎ Both are slightly different wording attempting to express the exact SAME thing. The key point has ALWAYS been โ and still remains โ that the Hรถfle telegram is THE ONLY deciphered intercept that has been produced purporting to be about โthe holocaustโ mass-gassing operation. What in your view is so different, that you consider one is incorrect? Or are you claiming there is a difference because you have finally understood your position has been insane nonsense and are therefore making a deceitful attempt at avoiding conceding that? |
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Post by been_there on Jun 6, 2022 7:24:47 GMT
A logical argument that ends with a personal observation is NOT an ad hominem argument. Not even if the concluding observations are misconstrued as personal abuse. Even if the personal observations were abuse, it would only be a logical argument + abuse.
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Post by been_there on Jun 25, 2022 18:52:46 GMT
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1. This statement I am making now is true because I donโt like rhubarb crumble!
2. Fools may legitimately reject evidence if it contradicts a belief-system that is believed and cherished by the majority.
3. The planet Earth actually was flat โ and the stars, Sun and Moon revolved around it โ before and UNTIL Copernicus and Galileo published credible research proving otherwise!
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Logical non sequitur.
A non sequitur is a fallacy in which a conclusion does not follow logically from the statements it claims to be based upon. Also known as irrelevant reason and fallacy of the consequent.
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Post by Turnagain on Jun 26, 2022 1:44:24 GMT
Short form:
"If it supports the holyhoax it's gospel truth"
"If it's contrary to the holyhoax it's either a mistake or a lie".
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Post by Nessie on Jun 28, 2022 14:31:12 GMT
Short form: "If it supports the holyhoax it's gospel truth" "If it's contrary to the holyhoax it's either a mistake or a lie". Please give an example of that. |
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Post by Turnagain on Jun 28, 2022 15:57:08 GMT
Looks as though a considerable number of posts have been deleted. Not much point in going on with this thread.
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