Post by been_there on May 20, 2022 7:32:50 GMT
When I was first discovering all the impossibilities, inconsistencies and obvious nonsense in the holocaust narrative, particularly it’s star witness, I innocently discussed it at work with a few of my closest colleagues.
I say innocently as I assumed an honest and open discussion would not be misintepreted, and I gullibly assumed my work friends — who were honest, decent, intelligent people — would also be as amazed as I was by the obvious inconsistencies.I remember one conversation with clearly the most intelligent of all of us in my department. I was relating what I was discovering about the obviously non-credible contradictions and inconsistencies — and now acknowledged falsities — in Höß’s Nuremberg testimony and interviews. He recognised the truth of what I was relating but defensively dismissed it by asking: “so what? You don’t think the Holocaust relies on just one witness testimony do you?”
I replied that YES it DID back then in 1946. I explained that those in the dock at Nuremburg had initially been doubting the allegations. Their doubt was destroyed by Höß’s appearance as a defence witness for Kaltenbrunner. And that forever after, Höß’s coerced confession was referred to, to convince any other doubters both there at Nuremberg and worldwide.
My work-colleague didn’t like hearing that, looked visibly annoyed and chose to disregard this fact. I.e. he experienced the emotional discomfort we all experience when having our internal map of reality contradicted by external reality. I.e. cognitive dissonance.
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Concerning Höß, a fascinating discussion has been going on over at the non-skeptics forum recently.
A participant named Gibson raised the question regarding how H-believers reconcile the obvious inconsistencies and self-contradictions within the testimony given by Rudolph Höß on different dates, concerning the alleged Jew-genocide and its timeline provided.
None of the believers except Nick Terry have anything useful to contribute. Most choosing to indulge in the usual H-believer response of ad hominem and snide put downs for daring to ask difficult questions.
And Nick Terry’s extremely erudite attempts at making sense of the discrepancies is ironically further proof the whole narrative is a collosal deception. As he can not convincingly do it.
Mr. Terry’s replies are getting demolished by Gibson.
Check it out.
What's the correct Höß timeline?
Post by Gibson » Friday May 13th, 2022
In another thread NathanC has informed me that the Höß timeline problem is "easy" and "obvious." Well, it's not obvious to me, so I would appreciate if someone could clarify it for me. I have never been able to make sense of it.
There's an easy, obvious and recorded explanation for the inconsistency in Höß's timeline: he lied/fudged the truth as defence witness at the IMT, at the prodding of Kaltenbrunner's defence lawyer (forgot his name).
Höß fudged the "timeline" because he and the defence wanted to [shift] the blame from Kaltenbrunner to his predecessor, Heydrich, who was dead.
But what then is the correct timeline? Specifically, I am curious to know the following:
1) When did Himmler receive orders to implement The Final Solution?
2) When did the Himmler-Höß meeting in Berlin take place?
3) When did the Eichmann-Höß meeting at Auschwitz take place?
4) When did Höß visit Treblinka?
And then for context,
5) When were the initial plans launched for the construction of the four Birkenau crematoria?
6) When was Zyklon B first used for executions at Auschwitz?
Approximate dates should be fine.
www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=874637#p874637
Post by Gibson » Friday May 13th, 2022
In another thread NathanC has informed me that the Höß timeline problem is "easy" and "obvious." Well, it's not obvious to me, so I would appreciate if someone could clarify it for me. I have never been able to make sense of it.
There's an easy, obvious and recorded explanation for the inconsistency in Höß's timeline: he lied/fudged the truth as defence witness at the IMT, at the prodding of Kaltenbrunner's defence lawyer (forgot his name).
Höß fudged the "timeline" because he and the defence wanted to [shift] the blame from Kaltenbrunner to his predecessor, Heydrich, who was dead.
But what then is the correct timeline? Specifically, I am curious to know the following:
1) When did Himmler receive orders to implement The Final Solution?
2) When did the Himmler-Höß meeting in Berlin take place?
3) When did the Eichmann-Höß meeting at Auschwitz take place?
4) When did Höß visit Treblinka?
And then for context,
5) When were the initial plans launched for the construction of the four Birkenau crematoria?
6) When was Zyklon B first used for executions at Auschwitz?
Approximate dates should be fine.
www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=874637#p874637