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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Apr 20, 2022 22:41:10 GMT
an alternative history that genuinely and truthfully does not have any evidence to support it. If this history is "fabricated", a false turn at one point then it would seem as though there is no alternative evidence. One cannot evidence an opposite what never existed in the first place. The "false turn" is likely to be the existence and location of the transit camps. It is posited that the AR camps were the collection points for jews hence the discussion on transports. The issue is when or how these people left these camps except through the grill smoke. The evidence is based in the Hรถfle telegram, so much meaning and intent given to a few letters. Korherr said the jews passed through the camps of the General Government to the Russian East; this would mean "white Russia" or Belarus eastern section. It is also likely to mean a general dispersal not a specific location. There is a thread to discuss what happened to them there. As mentioned there were hundreds of camps and ghettos for these people in that location. There is not enough information to assume that these people physically went to the AR camps. It is also likely that the camp Treblinka was near Malkinia; the testimony points clearly to this as well as the markers on the maps. There were also other camps nearby such as Kosow Podlaski which is also a Treblinka camp. If the people did not go to these camps as some assert it is asinine to ask for information on mass transports out. Of course some people did go to the judenlager Treblinka II, attested by Marian Olszuk but the majority were either divered back into Poland or sent to places like Bobruysk or one of the hundreds of other camps in that location. |
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Post by Turnagain on Apr 21, 2022 3:30:11 GMT
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Nessie lacks the skills necessary to critically examine the claims for the holyhoax. For example, Nessie claims that CS-C found the graves in which the initial 713,555 Jews were supposedly buried. Using eight (8) cadavers per cubic meter to account for decomposition/compression of the cadavers we see that it would take it would take about 89,000 (89,194) cubic meters of grave space to accommodate the 713,555 Jews plus the .5 meter of top cover for the graves.
From CS-C's thesis we have measurements for 6 pits. That is a total of 2,832 square meters or an average of 472 square meters per grave. Extrapolating from that for the 4 remaining graves we have an additional 1,888 square meters and a total of 4720 square meters of graves. Dividing 89,194 by 4720 equals 19 (18.9) meters of depth for each grave which assumes that each pit is a rectangular prism and doesn't account for the top cover. IOW, each pit would have to be over 60 feet deep.
Those numbers aren't intended to be an accurate depiction of the volume of CS-C's probable graves but a demonstration of just how ridiculous is CS-C's claims of "probable graves". There are numerous programs for calculating the area of irregularly shaped parcels of real estate so why didn't CS-S use any of them? The easy answer is CS-C fudged the number of pits she claimed to have found. Another reason for why she didn't return to Treblinka to continue her so-called investigation.
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Post by Nessie on Apr 21, 2022 7:36:12 GMT
an alternative history that genuinely and truthfully does not have any evidence to support it. If this history is "fabricated", a false turn at one point then it would seem as though there is no alternative evidence. One cannot evidence an opposite what never existed in the first place. The "false turn" is likely to be the existence and location of the transit camps. It is posited that the AR camps were the collection points for jews hence the discussion on transports. The issue is when or how these people left these camps except through the grill smoke. The evidence is based in the Hรถfle telegram, so much meaning and intent given to a few letters. Korherr said the jews passed through the camps of the General Government to the Russian East; this would mean "white Russia" or Belarus eastern section. It is also likely to mean a general dispersal not a specific location. There is a thread to discuss what happened to them there. As mentioned there were hundreds of camps and ghettos for these people in that location. There is not enough information to assume that these people physically went to the AR camps. It is also likely that the camp Treblinka was near Malkinia; the testimony points clearly to this as well as the markers on the maps. There were also other camps nearby such as Kosow Podlaski which is also a Treblinka camp. If the people did not go to these camps as some assert it is asinine to ask for information on mass transports out. Of course some people did go to the judenlager Treblinka II, attested by Marian Olszuk but the majority were either divered back into Poland or sent to places like Bobruysk or one of the hundreds of other camps in that location. Your claims about mass transportation and accommodation in multiple camps in the east are unevidenced. You claim mass gassings at the AR camps is unevidenced.
Which claim is true and which claim is false?
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Post by Nessie on Apr 21, 2022 7:41:02 GMT
Nazgul wrote: Nessie lacks the skills necessary to critically examine the claims for the holyhoax.... You are both showing why it is you who lack the skills to examine what happened to the Jews in Nazi custody during WWII. Nazgul awkwardly acknowledges that an event that did not happen will leave no evidence. You then admit that I do have evidence, it is evidence that you dispute. You fail to present any evidence to back up your belief that instead of ending up in mass graves, those c850,000 left TII. Nazgul has explained why that event is unevidenced; it did not happen. |
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Post by Turnagain on Apr 21, 2022 8:04:31 GMT
There is no evidence that the Germans dug the pits save the word of known liars. Nessie makes the assumption that they didn't lie when it's been proven time and again that they did lie. So it goes in holyhoax la-la land.
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Post by Nessie on Apr 21, 2022 8:08:30 GMT
There is no evidence that the Germans dug the pits save the word of known liars. Nessie makes the assumption that they didn't lie when it's been proven time and again that they did lie. So it goes in holyhoax la-la land. There we go again, lying about "no evidence". There is a thread where we discuss the evidence here;
You admit there is evidence, it is just that you do not believe the witnesses. You need to learn the crucial difference between no evidence and evidence you dispute. Stop lying by claiming there is no evidence, when the truth is that there is evidence, it is just that you dispute that evidence.
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Apr 21, 2022 8:15:26 GMT
Your claims about mass transportation and accommodation in multiple camps in the east are unevidenced. We have to call it was it is, cattle excrement. V Makei Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of White Russia (Belarus) states: existed in "white Russia". That is evidence. Korherr states, people transited to the Russian East; that is evidence. Failing to acknowledge these two important parts of the story is really dishonest, not to us as we do not care but to his own delusional ineptitude. |
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Post by Nessie on Apr 21, 2022 8:26:16 GMT
Your claims about mass transportation and accommodation in multiple camps in the east are unevidenced. We have to call it was it is, cattle excrement. V Makei Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of White Russia (Belarus) states: existed in "white Russia". That is evidence. Korherr states, people transited to the Russian East; that is evidence. Failing to acknowledge these two important parts of the story is really dishonest, not to us as we do not care but to his own delusional ineptitude. The existence of 260 camps and 70 ghettos in Belarussia is indeed evidence. The next issue is, what are they evidence of? That is not for discussion in this thread, as this thread is to highlight the regularity at which deniers lie about there being no evidence, when in fact there is evidence.
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Apr 21, 2022 8:44:28 GMT
The existence of 260 camps and 70 ghettos in Belarussia is indeed evidence. The next issue is, what are they evidence of? That is not for discussion in this thread, as this thread is to highlight the regularity at which deniers lie about there being no evidence, when in fact there is evidence. You said there was no evidence then backtracked and changed your mind. There is a thread elsewhere to discuss this "evidence". The accomodation of relocated people; this is reality while you are waffling on semantics. |
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Post by Turnagain on Apr 21, 2022 8:46:48 GMT
Well, Nessie, let's see your evidence that the Germans dug the pits allegedly found by CS-C at Treblinka. No, the testimony of known liars isn't acceptable.
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Post by Nessie on Apr 21, 2022 9:14:41 GMT
The existence of 260 camps and 70 ghettos in Belarussia is indeed evidence. The next issue is, what are they evidence of? That is not for discussion in this thread, as this thread is to highlight the regularity at which deniers lie about there being no evidence, when in fact there is evidence. You said there was no evidence then backtracked and changed your mind. There is a thread elsewhere to discuss this "evidence". The accomodation of relocated people; this is reality while you are waffling on semantics. No, I have said that the camps and ghettos in Belorussia is not evidence of the mass relocation of people from the AR camps in 1942-3.
That is because of evidence gaps, where there is no evidence of mass transports back out of the AR camps, to those camps and ghettos and evidence of hundreds of thousands of Jews being accommodated in 1944 in Belorussia, as those camps and ghettos were being closed down.
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Post by Nessie on Apr 21, 2022 9:16:18 GMT
Well, Nessie, let's see your evidence that the Germans dug the pits allegedly found by CS-C at Treblinka. No, the testimony of known liars isn't acceptable. You need me to show you the archaeological, forensic and geophysical evidence again? Why?
Your tactic is to ask to see evidence, I show you evidence, you lie it is not evidence and then ask to see it again. You are merely fooling yourself into thinking there is no evidence, whilst defecting from your actual lack of evidence.
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Apr 21, 2022 9:35:22 GMT
So it is down to "You show me yours and I'll show you mine"  |
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Post by Turnagain on Apr 21, 2022 9:44:28 GMT
Nessie wrote:
No, I don't need you to show me your reasons for believing that the pits exist. That's not what I asked. I'll ask you again, where is your evidence that the Germans dug the pits at T-II?
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Post by Nessie on Apr 21, 2022 10:01:26 GMT
So it is down to "You show me yours and I'll show you mine" ... No, it is down to I have evidence and deniers lie that I do not and then deflect from their actual lack of evidence. |
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