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Post by Nessie on Jun 27, 2022 13:06:38 GMT
The evidence is that they did. Globocnik wrote to Himmler and told him that the camps had been left guarded and looking like farms. No other camps were demolished and planted over like the AR camps. There are no surviving documents from the camps themselves. Hofle made all camp staff sign secrecy agreements. Right. So mass murder remains un proven. Only in denier la-la land. The claim the AR camps were only about seizing property, fails to evidence what happened to all of the people once their property had been stolen. The AR camps were only known to staff and locals who lived near to them. Some information leaked out when prisoners escaped. The archaeological findings corroborate the witness claims of mass murder.
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Post by mrolonzo on Jun 27, 2022 13:13:15 GMT
Right. So mass murder remains un proven. Only in denier la-la land. The claim the AR camps were only about seizing property, fails to evidence what happened to all of the people once their property had been stolen. The AR camps were only known to staff and locals who lived near to them. Some information leaked out when prisoners escaped. The archaeological findings corroborate the witness claims of mass murder. There's no need to find everyone. We have all the evidence we need. The camps were known to the villagers too. They were not secret. The findings corroborate that the witnesses are liars.
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Post by Nessie on Jun 27, 2022 13:30:41 GMT
Only in denier la-la land. The claim the AR camps were only about seizing property, fails to evidence what happened to all of the people once their property had been stolen. The AR camps were only known to staff and locals who lived near to them. Some information leaked out when prisoners escaped. The archaeological findings corroborate the witness claims of mass murder. There's no need to find everyone. We have all the evidence we need. The camps were known to the villagers too. They were not secret. The findings corroborate that the witnesses are liars. There is no evidence to support your claims of no mass gassings from
- anyone who worked in the camps - anyone who was transported through the camps to work elsewhere - documents recording regular mass transports left the camps to go elsewhere - physical or archaeological evidence from the camps.
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Post by mrolonzo on Jun 27, 2022 13:34:55 GMT
There's no need to find everyone. We have all the evidence we need. The camps were known to the villagers too. They were not secret. The findings corroborate that the witnesses are liars. There is no evidence to support your claims of no mass gassings from
- anyone who worked in the camps - anyone who was transported through the camps to work elsewhere - documents recording regular mass transports left the camps to go elsewhere - physical or archaeological evidence from the camps. Â
In fact the witnesses were either Jews or under pressure nazis and the archeological evidence showed there was no mass gassing and the documentary evidence showed there was no cover up of murder.
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Post by Nessie on Jun 27, 2022 13:46:39 GMT
There is no evidence to support your claims of no mass gassings from
- anyone who worked in the camps - anyone who was transported through the camps to work elsewhere - documents recording regular mass transports left the camps to go elsewhere - physical or archaeological evidence from the camps.
In fact the witnesses were either Jews or under pressure nazis and the archeological evidence showed there was no mass gassing and the documentary evidence showed there was no cover up of murder. There were Polish witnesses as well and there is no evidence the German trials had any form of coercion. The archaeological evidence proves large areas of cremated remains. The documentary evidence proves mass arrivals, with most trains leaving empty and no evidence of other transports.
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Post by mrolonzo on Jun 27, 2022 13:55:52 GMT
In fact the witnesses were either Jews or under pressure nazis and the archeological evidence showed there was no mass gassing and the documentary evidence showed there was no cover up of murder. There were Polish witnesses as well and there is no evidence the German trials had any form of coercion. The archaeological evidence proves large areas of cremated remains. The documentary evidence proves mass arrivals, with most trains leaving empty and no evidence of other transports. Poles had reason to lie too and germans had reason to lie against themselves also. No cremains were ever found and to this day don't exist. The record is incomplete.
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Post by Nessie on Jun 27, 2022 14:10:40 GMT
There were Polish witnesses as well and there is no evidence the German trials had any form of coercion. The archaeological evidence proves large areas of cremated remains. The documentary evidence proves mass arrivals, with most trains leaving empty and no evidence of other transports. Poles had reason to lie too and germans had reason to lie against themselves also. No cremains were ever found and to this day don't exist. The record is incomplete. Prove all the Poles lied and that no cremains have been found.
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Post by mrolonzo on Jun 27, 2022 14:27:50 GMT
Poles had reason to lie too and germans had reason to lie against themselves also. No cremains were ever found and to this day don't exist. The record is incomplete. Prove all the Poles lied and that no cremains have been found. Prove that none of the Poles lied and show the cremains.
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Post by Nessie on Jun 27, 2022 14:31:58 GMT
Prove all the Poles lied and that no cremains have been found. Prove that none of the Poles lied and show the cremains. The Poles are corroborated by the Nazis, Jews and other evidence from documents etc and the evidence of the cremains is in the various archaeological reports in the link below;
Now, prove all the Poles lied and there are no cremains found.
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Post by mrolonzo on Jun 27, 2022 15:22:56 GMT
Prove that none of the Poles lied and show the cremains. The Poles are corroborated by the Nazis, Jews and other evidence from documents etc and the evidence of the cremains is in the various archaeological reports in the link below;
Now, prove all the Poles lied and there are no cremains found.
Problems with the Jews and Nazis is already addressed above and prove none of them were ever pressured and no one ever had any reason to lie. Please explain every contradiction and prove the poor information was simply honest ignorance Right. Now show the laboratory examination of remains, with photographs. Also include documentary details about who exactly these people are and show identification bracelets and documents. You may also show forensic investigations of causes of death for each. Also detail the exact amount of bodies and show your calculations. You may stick to Belzec if you like. Reder Gerstein Kola the 1945 investigation etc. That's smaller and im more familiar with it. We can then talk about the various lies about the camp and why they were told and when.
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Post by Nessie on Jun 27, 2022 15:38:26 GMT
The Poles are corroborated by the Nazis, Jews and other evidence from documents etc and the evidence of the cremains is in the various archaeological reports in the link below; Now, prove all the Poles lied and there are no cremains found.
Problems with the Jews and Nazis is already addressed above and prove none of them were ever pressured and no one ever had any reason to lie. Please explain every contradiction and prove the poor information was simply honest ignorance There is no evidence any were pressured. You clearly have no evidence, or else you would show me that evidence. This thread is about denier's lying there is no evidence, which is clearly not the case, as you are aware of witness and archaeological evidence for Belzec.
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Post by mrolonzo on Jun 27, 2022 15:59:32 GMT
Problems with the Jews and Nazis is already addressed above and prove none of them were ever pressured and no one ever had any reason to lie. Please explain every contradiction and prove the poor information was simply honest ignorance There is no evidence any were pressured. You clearly have no evidence, or else you would show me that evidence. This thread is about denier's lying there is no evidence, which is clearly not the case, as you are aware of witness and archaeological evidence for Belzec. Thank you for admitting you can't prove no pressure and no interest applied. Thank you for admitting you have no laboratory analysis to show and cannot even talk about any of this evidence regarding even small and investigated camps such as Belzec. But please, I invite you to offer us again your closed loop of it's possible because it happened and therefore it happened therefore it's possible. Tell us again how witnesses can decide if a thing happened and therefore there is no need to determine possibility. It's always entertaining.
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Post by Nessie on Jun 27, 2022 16:13:01 GMT
There is no evidence any were pressured. You clearly have no evidence, or else you would show me that evidence. This thread is about denier's lying there is no evidence, which is clearly not the case, as you are aware of witness and archaeological evidence for Belzec. Thank you for admitting you can't prove no pressure and no interest applied. The lack of evidence of any pressure on the Nazis, is evidence no pressure was applied. There was also no need to apply pressure, as the evidence meant the Nazis admitted to their crimes. Just because I cannot show the original Polish report, does not therefore mean no evidence. This thread is about denier lying about there being no evidence. You want to dodge that by going off topic.
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Post by mrolonzo on Jun 27, 2022 17:51:07 GMT
Thank you for admitting you can't prove no pressure and no interest applied. The lack of evidence of any pressure on the Nazis, is evidence no pressure was applied. There was also no need to apply pressure, as the evidence meant the Nazis admitted to their crimes. Just because I cannot show the original Polish report, does not therefore mean no evidence. This thread is about denier lying about there being no evidence. You want to dodge that by going off topic. Im not dodging it. It's like this, we can add the term incontrovertible evidence of the holocaust. As in, there is no incontrovertible evidence of the holocaust and there is plenty of evidence showing normal operations.
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Post by Nessie on Jun 27, 2022 17:54:16 GMT
The lack of evidence of any pressure on the Nazis, is evidence no pressure was applied. There was also no need to apply pressure, as the evidence meant the Nazis admitted to their crimes. Just because I cannot show the original Polish report, does not therefore mean no evidence. This thread is about denier lying about there being no evidence. You want to dodge that by going off topic. Im not dodging it. It's like this, we can add the term incontrovertible evidence of the holocaust. As in, there is no incontrovertible evidence of the holocaust and there is plenty of evidence showing normal operations. You can assert that all you want, it is not true. For example, every single person who worked inside an AR camp or A-B Krema stated it used for gassings. No witness said anything else.
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