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Post by Nessie on Jan 22, 2022 15:13:45 GMT
Nessie wrote: So, Nessie is back to "disturbed ground" and no, CS-C doesn't give dimensions for all of her so-called "disturbed ground". Yes she does, she gives each find as she reports it in the thesis and then lists all finds and their dimensions page 170 onwards. etheses.bham.ac.uk/id/eprint/3531/1/SturdyColls12PhD.pdfYes she does. There are numerous references to and images from the GPR and other scans throughout the report. You have been linked to the below before. Figure 4.32. GPR time slices of feature G44 (shown in red) identified at Treblinka II in the area of the former Death Camp Figure 4.34. A GPR image plot of features G50-54 identified at Treblinka II in the area of the former Death Camp Figure 4.35. A GPR profile showing one of the cut edges of feature G38, identified at Treblinka II in the area of the former Death Camp You have repeatedly suggested she found no graves, that is not true. She found large areas of disturbed ground that based on all the evidence are highly probable to be graves. Which is the "one scan" you refer to? You have said above she does not present any. Which is it? She did. www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16657363"This revealed the existence of a number of pits across the site. Some may be the result of post-war looting, prompted by myths of buried Jewish gold..." Not it is not a fact. You have misinterpreted her claims, which clearly state she found large areas of disturbed ground in the areas of the camp where witnesses said the mass graves were located. |
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 22, 2022 18:17:15 GMT
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In that case, quote CS-C claiming that she definitely found the mass graves and give the source of that quote. Not your weasel words about "disturbed ground" or claims of what's probably a grave but a direct statement from CS-C claiming that she found the mass graves.
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Post by Venatแปr on Jan 22, 2022 18:28:03 GMT
All very generalized statements within a km radius it would seem. However, they probably just meant Poland. This reminds me of the photo of the Malkinia loop some 8 km from TII. Nessie says it is in the TII vicinity. LOL.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 22, 2022 19:14:46 GMT
Nessie wrote: In that case, quote CS-C claiming that she definitely found the mass graves and give the source of that quote. Not your weasel words about "disturbed ground" or claims of what's probably a grave but a direct statement from CS-C claiming that she found the mass graves. From her thesis;
"In Treblinka, for example, where the authorities were wary about issuing permission for archaeological work in light of concerns over the disturbance of the site, these methods have indicated the locations of
further graves so that they can be protected in the future..."
From the Staffs University website and the "Finding Treblinka Project", led by her;
"This ongoing research project aims to use innovative forensic archaeological techniques to investigate the former Nazi extermination and labour camps at Treblinka. Over the last twelve years, the team have devised new methodologies that account for the ethical and religious sensitivities, successfully located mass graves, gas chambers and other buildings..."
"Non-invasive geophysical survey has allowed the location of a number of mass graves and cremation pits to be determined in the extermination camp..."
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 23, 2022 19:55:40 GMT
Nessie wrote:
Who authored that article?
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Post by Nessie on Jan 23, 2022 19:55:47 GMT
More posts have been added to "Gibberish", in a clear attempt to censor the challenging of no evidence claims by deniers.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 23, 2022 20:01:17 GMT
Nessie wrote: Who authored that article? It does not say, but as "Lead Researcher" Professor Caroline Sturdy-Colls will have read and approved the wording. You were being dishonest when you claimed she has been stating she found no graves and planned to return to look again.
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 23, 2022 21:25:22 GMT
Nessie wrote: Who authored that article? It does not say, but as "Lead Researcher" Professor Caroline Sturdy-Colls will have read and approved the wording. You were being dishonest when you claimed she has been stating she found no graves and planned to return to look again.
IOW, you don't know who wrote that article and only assume that CS-C approved it. Once again Nessie fails to show proof that CS-C claimed to have found the lost graves of Treblinka. So it goes in holyhoax la-la land. |
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Post by Nessie on Jan 24, 2022 10:09:02 GMT
It does not say, but as "Lead Researcher" Professor Caroline Sturdy-Colls will have read and approved the wording. You were being dishonest when you claimed she has been stating she found no graves and planned to return to look again.
IOW, you don't know who wrote that article and only assume that CS-C approved it. Once again Nessie fails to show proof that CS-C claimed to have found the lost graves of Treblinka. So it goes in holyhoax la-la land. You have ignored where I quoted her thesis, where she said she found graves. You are trying to dodge that the university department she is in charge of states they found graves. Here she writes about "forensic and archaeological approaches to locating the remains of Holocaust victims"
"With regard to the extermination camp, this non-invasive
approach allowed the locations of several mass graves to be iden -
tified without disturbing the remains contained within them"
"During the non-invasive research, a combination of
archival research, aerial imagery analysis, field survey and geophysi-
cal prospection has confirmed that mass graves do survive. Walkover
survey and excavations around the structures at Treblinka then also
revealed the presence of scattered human remains."
You are wrong to claim she has not found graves.
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 24, 2022 11:32:56 GMT
Why then did CS-C first claim to have found only "possible" and "probable" grave sites and then later claim that she had definitely found the mass graves of Treblinka? The pits/depressions she claimed to have found were entirely too small to have contained 700,000+ cadavers. Why didn't she publish the entire GPR scans of the area?
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Post by Nessie on Jan 24, 2022 12:51:17 GMT
Why then did CS-C first claim to have found only "possible" and "probable" grave sites and then later claim that she had definitely found the mass graves of Treblinka? The pits/depressions she claimed to have found were entirely too small to have contained 700,000+ cadavers. Why didn't she publish the entire GPR scans of the area? She is stating that there ARE mass graves at the site, but that each pit has a degree of probability as to what is a mass grave and what is a buried building. She excavated the pit showing a building and found the remains of the gas chambers, with bricks, concrete and tiles matching witness descriptions. That makes it a certainty that pit contained the buried remains of a building. The pits she did not dig into, which are where the witnesses said there were graves, are, archaeological speaking, a high probability of being graves. She is differentiating between pits that were excavated and those that were not.
As for the size of the graves she identified, she only found parts of them. If you read the report she said;
" the memorial site remained undisturbed
and the graves can be protected for the future. In total, eleven pos-
sible mass graves were recorded in the grassed areas surrounding the
memorial at the extermination camp. Desk-based research indicated
that it is likely that further graves exist under the monument."
She could only examine a small area around the memorial and it covers a much larger area. The bulk of the graves are under the concrete and could not be surveyed.
I presume cost and space are why she did not publish every single scan image. Bear in mind, there was not just GPR imaging, but electrical resistance as well. She has published some of those which show underground disturbances.
You are wrong to claim she said she has not found graves and suggest there is no evidence of graves.
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 24, 2022 19:36:45 GMT
Nessie quoted CS-C as writing in her Treblinka thesis:
Bottom line, did CS-C claim that without a doubt she had located the mass graves of Treblinka or not? It would seem that CS-C first claims to have found the graves but hedges her bet on that later.
PS. If you're going to quote from CS-C's thesis then give the page number. Cherry-picking quotes as you've done so many times with Mattogno's work is one of your hallmarks.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 24, 2022 19:48:40 GMT
Nessie quoted CS-C as writing in her Treblinka thesis: Bottom line, did CS-C claim that without a doubt she had located the mass graves of Treblinka or not? It would seem that CS-C first claims to have found the graves but hedges her bet on that later. PS. If you're going to quote from CS-C's thesis then give the page number. Cherry-picking quotes as you've done so many times with Mattogno's work is one of your hallmarks. I have explained to you why she states possible on some occasions. When she refers to a pit purely in geophysical survey terms, because the survey is non-intrusive, she cannot say from the geophysics what is in the pit, so it a probability it is a grave, or a building remains, or a rubbish pit.
When she refers to the graves at TII, she is referring to all of the evidence, her geophysical survey, the past excavations and witness evidence.
She is not hedging her bet on there being mass graves at TII, she is hedging her bet on which of the pits is a mass grave. There are 11 pits and she is not 100% certain that all are mass graves, but she is 100% certain some, if not most, if not all are mass graves.
It is easy to a Control F word search and find the quotes, if you think they are cherry picked. I note you make a cherry picking accusation without any example. Typical.
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Post by Turnagain on Jan 25, 2022 4:19:01 GMT
Uh-huh, CS-C claimed to have found eleven "ground disturbances" but doesn't know if none, some or all of the "ground disturbances" are graves. Some pits 30-40 feet deep would be pretty good proof of graves at Treblinka but CS-C forgot her antennas and had to rely on "ground disturbances" from electrical resistivity for her thesis. She also forgot to publish her GPR scans. Well, she did say that Treblinka was an "ongoing project" and that she "hoped" to return but that didn't happen. Just curious but why do all holyhoax investigators present the appearance of charlatans? Like her finding some bones in the Christian cemetery and, of course, the Star of David tile that she "knew" came from a "gas chamber".
It is curious how Nessie resists typing in some page numbers. Rather like he did with quoting Mattogno when Mattogno first wrote the official narrative but then later tore it apart. Nessie pretended that Mattogno was speaking for himself. It would almost seem as if he's hiding something.
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Post by Nessie on Jan 25, 2022 10:22:42 GMT
Uh-huh, CS-C claimed to have found eleven "ground disturbances" but doesn't know if none, some or all of the "ground disturbances" are graves. She states that the probability is that they are graves, because they are where witnesses describe graves being dug. Various scans found pits deeper than 4m, or more than 13 feet, which is sufficient to back up witness estimations of very deep pits, far deeper than normal graves or rubbish pits. You are dishonestly suggesting she published one of the scans. She has published scans in her thesis and at exhibitions. At least I link to and quote, you don't even bother with that. You could easily do a Control 7 word search to find the quotes. Your waffle about Mattogno does not make sense, link to and quote what you are referring to. Remember to include page numbers. |
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