CO Poisoning

I found this about Wiernik and his description of yellow corpses;

holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2011/12/belzec-sobibor-treblinka-holocaust_6507.html

"MGK have always cited the English edition of Wiernik’s text, seemingly never bothering to check the original Polish. The problem that arises here is that Wiernik, in the original Polish version of 1944, uses a vernacular expression: the gassed were "żółci-zatruci."[270] "Zatruci" means "poisoned," - "żółci" here comes from "żółć," meaning "gall," a substance often associated with "poison," (e.g. the German "Gift und Galle speien," not from "żółty," which means "yellow"). In Polish literature, we often find "żółć" associated with "cierpienie," "suffering." So Wiernik, who is using poetic language in this instance, wants to tell us that the victims were "dead as a doornail" (or something to that extent).[271] Thus MGK had criticized Wiernik on the basis of a misunderstood translation."

With regards to the cause of death, Dr August Becker stated about the use of gas vans;

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Becker

"The application of gas usually is not undertaken correctly. In order to come to an end as fast as possible, the driver presses the accelerator to the fullest extent. By doing that the persons to be executed suffer death from suffocation and not death by dozing off as was planned. My directions now have proved that by correct adjustment of the levers death comes faster and the prisoners fall asleep peacefully. Distorted faces and excretions, such as could be seen before, are no longer noticed."

"I described the function of the gas cars to Pradel in an hour long personal discussion and offered criticisms, because the subjects (people to be murdered) were suffocated and not gassed since the operating crew didn't follow proper instructions. I told him that the subjects vomited and defecated upon themselves prior to death instead of falling asleep first. Pradel thoughtfully nodded, without saying a word."

The blood has to pool, gravity is there all the time!



It is another reason why people did not present cherry red, they died from asphyxia rather than their blood being poisoned by CO, which is what Dr August Becker was discussing, about the gas vans.



There is medical evidence to explain why the bodies were not obviously cherry red. The medical sources do not describe gassings in matter of minutes, such as the NHS, resulting in obvious cherry red skin.

One chart, which was specific that the longer the exposure, the more redness.



Dead bodies displaying lividity. The dead had been buried or cremated before lividity could form.



Odd how when you speak of people close to death, that is fine, but apparently I cannot do that. The NHS makes it very clear, when death is within minutes, unconsciousness is the main symptom. I have shown you numerous medical sources that refer to fatal levels of CO and they do not list cherry red skin as a symptom.

In any case, the reports of blue skin suggest asphyxia, due to the CO lowering the percentage of oxygen in the chambers, so people suffocated. That is further suggested by Dr Becker. They did not breathe in enough CO to turn their skin cherry red. They suffocated due to lack of oxygen. Either that, or there was insufficient time to make the blood pumping round their bodies sufficiently red for it to be noticeable, and instead, it would only become apparent with lividity.

Where is the evidence of that? To turn obviously cherry red, it either has to happen before someone dies, as the blood is still pumping round the body, in which case, why does the NHS, and many other sites, not list it as a symptom, when death will be in minutes? If you only have minutes, whether that is 2, 5, 10 or even 20 to save someone and there is a risk to you of death if you stay with the victim breathing in fatal levels of CO, all those sources would be highlighting that distinctive, obvious symptom.

Or, it happens after death, and since the blood is no longer pumping round the body, it has to happen with lvidity.



That raises the second possible cause of death, asphyxiation as the percentage of oxygen drops. Not knowing how the Nazis dealt with the pressure in the chambers is not an issue. We know how they did it with the gas vans and Dr Becker was clear, cause of death was by asphyxiation, not CO poisoning.

The Austrian study? Please link to that and where it specifically states what you claim it does.



We do not know how long the engine ran for. We do not know how any pressure issues were dealt with. Why do you keep on asking me the same questions, which have already been answered?