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Post by Nessie on May 14, 2022 19:02:45 GMT
According to you, cherry red skin is common and obvious in very high levels of CO poisoning, that will kill. No, I never wrote that. You are lying again to avoid error. You are again arguing against your own Strawman distortion. It is dishonest behaviour and so obvious I suggest it implies some form of mental impairment. You said;
"Consequently, if victims can turn bright pink while still living, it is safe to assume the likelihood of many victims being bright pink immediately after asphyxiating from engine exhaust at alleged holocaust extermination camps!"
You went on to express surprise that no witness noticed that! Do you now withdraw that claim?
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Post by been_there on May 14, 2022 20:45:52 GMT
No, I never wrote that. You are lying again to avoid error. You are again arguing against your own Strawman distortion. It is dishonest behaviour and so obvious I suggest it implies some form of mental impairment. You said;
"Consequently, if victims can turn bright pink while still living, it is safe to assume the likelihood of many victims being bright pink immediately after asphyxiating from engine exhaust at alleged holocaust extermination camps!"
You went on to express surprise that no witness noticed that! Do you now withdraw that claim? Of course I donโt โwithdrawโ anything. I stand by EVERYTHING I wrote. That sentence you quoted does not equate with your miscomprehension/misrepresentation of it. |
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Post by Turnagain on May 14, 2022 23:14:43 GMT
All of the medical reports state that the red/pink discoloration comes from elevated levels of COHb. been-there posted a color bar showing the red/pink discoloration up to and including death along with the other symptoms associated with CO poisoning. Nessie claims that b-t didn't do that. He also claims that the red/pink discoloration of victims of CO poisoning isn't the result of high levels of COHb. He declares that the medical authorities are ALL wrong, that no victims present as red/pink due to high levels of COHb but only develop livor mortis, red/pink discoloration, hours after they expire. Livor mortis is, of course, due to gravity and the blood pooling in the lower parts of the body. Scott posted a photo of a person who is alive but displaying the telltale red/pink discoloration of CO poisoning. Nessie declares Scott to be full of more sh!t than a Christmas goose and nobody considers red/pink discoloration in living people to be a symptom of CO poisoning. Nessie is trying to protect the lies of his so-called eyewitnesses to mass murder at Treblinka at all costs. Nessie wrote: The young (26 years old) man committed suicide in the exact same manner as the victims at Treblinka. The exhaust from an ICE was piped into an enclosed space. The victims at Treblinka were killed by the exhaust from ICE being piped into an enclosed space. I suppose that Nessie will try to claim that since the suicide wasn't discovered until morning the young man's exposure to CO was "chronic" rather than "acute". Besides, even though the article describes the young man's pink discoloration was due to a high level of COHb Nessie will dismiss that and declare that the young man's pink discoloration was due to livor mortis. From www.cdc.gov/chronicdisease/about/index.htm here is the definition of "chronic". From forensicyard.com/different-types-of-poisoning/ here is the definition of acute poisoning: However, in holyhoax la-la land, definitions are whatever Nessie says they are. |
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Post by ๐๐๐จ๐ญ๐ญ on May 15, 2022 0:57:50 GMT
When the former Revisionist Eric Hunt was living in Kiev with his Ukrainian girlfriend many years ago, he posted pictures of her lying on the floor with a cherry-pink face while waiting for the paramedics to arrive after they had discovered that their water heater was pumping carbon monoxide into the apartment. They were lucky to survive the night. Eric woke up with a pounding headache, opened a window and called the emergency responders. Eric's girlfriend did not like it that he posted her picture Online, so he took it down from RODOH. They both survived the carbon monoxide encounter โ so the cherry-red coloring did not develop after death as Nessie implies โ and Eric actually had time to take a photo which he posted at RODOH. Eric said that he was also red as a beet but did not take a picture of himself, apparently. Btw, the chronic nature of CO poisoning from the article that I used above has to do with long-term damage to the brain and heart. The article does not say that CO turns people's skin permanently red.  |
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Post by nazgul on May 15, 2022 2:14:11 GMT
Btw, the chronic nature of CO poisoning from the article that I used above has to do with long-term damage to the brain and heart. This may explain many things about Mr Hunt. |
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Post by Nessie on May 15, 2022 7:36:57 GMT
You said;
"Consequently, if victims can turn bright pink while still living, it is safe to assume the likelihood of many victims being bright pink immediately after asphyxiating from engine exhaust at alleged holocaust extermination camps!"
You went on to express surprise that no witness noticed that! Do you now withdraw that claim? Of course I donโt โwithdrawโ anything. I stand by EVERYTHING I wrote. That sentence you quoted does not equate with your miscomprehension/misrepresentation of it. You said "many" and "bright pink" and I said "common" and "obvious". It is hard to see the difference.
How many is many? How bright a pink are you talking about?
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Post by Nessie on May 15, 2022 7:42:48 GMT
All of the medical reports state that the red/pink discoloration comes from elevated levels of COHb. been-there posted a color bar showing the red/pink discoloration up to and including death along with the other symptoms associated with CO poisoning. Nessie claims that b-t didn't do that. Not true. Also not true. Again, not true. At least, something true. He experienced acute exposure that killed him in minutes and his body lay in the car for hours, so lividity developed. If those in the gas chambers had been left for hours before being recovered, then lividity would be apparent. The exposure inside the chambers was acute, so chronic cases are not relevant. |
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Post by Nessie on May 15, 2022 7:50:20 GMT
When the former Revisionist Eric Hunt was living in Kiev with his Ukrainian girlfriend many years ago, he posted pictures of her lying on the floor with a cherry-pink face while waiting for the paramedics to arrive after they had discovered that their water heater was pumping carbon monoxide into the apartment. They were lucky to survive the night. Eric woke up with a pounding headache, opened a window and called the emergency responders. Eric's girlfriend did not like it that he posted her picture Online, so he took it down from RODOH. They both survived the carbon monoxide encounter โ so the cherry-red coloring did not develop after death as Nessie implies โ and Eric actually had time to take a photo which he posted at RODOH. Eric said that he was also red as a beet but did not take a picture of himself, apparently. Btw, the chronic nature of CO poisoning from the article that I used above has to do with long-term damage to the brain and heart. The article does not say that CO turns people's skin permanently red. Gas chamber gassings lasted minutes, that was a heater which was leaking at least overnight, so many hours. You conflate chronic with acute and the evidence is people can occasionally show signs of cherry red skin prior to death, especially around their lips, where there are more blood vessels near to the surface.
Numerous sources, some of which we have discussed here, all say it is commonly POSTMORTEM, so after death. Medical sources also explain why, as the cherry red blood pools in the skin. It needs to pool to become common and obvious, so that even a member of the public would spot it.
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Post by Turnagain on May 15, 2022 8:08:57 GMT
OK, Nessie, here's some questions for you.
1. Is a red/pink discoloration of the skin from high levels of COHb visible both pre-mortem and post-mortem?
2. Did b-t post a chart showing the symptoms of CO poisoning that included both pre-mortem and post-mortem red/pink discoloration?
3. Is the red/pink discoloration of CO poisoning a function of COHb or gravity?
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Post by Nessie on May 15, 2022 8:25:51 GMT
OK, Nessie, here's some questions for you. 1. Is a red/pink discoloration of the skin from high levels of COHb visible both pre-mortem and post-mortem? Yes, but it is rare and not obvious pre-mortem and common and obvious postmortem. Yes, but the chart was referring to change over time, ie chronic exposure, not acute. It states, "The longer one's exposure to CO, the more one's skin color" changes. Those in the gas chambers were exposed for a very short time. It is a function of both. It turns the blood cherry red, but in acute cases where someone dies quickly, the blood need to pool in the skin due to gravity to become obvious. As the chart been-there posted states, it takes time for the discolouration to happen. So, in acute cases, for it to be obvious, the blood needs to be concentrated in the skin. |
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Post by Nessie on May 15, 2022 8:28:22 GMT
Some questions for you Turnagain;
1 - does the NHS or CDC list a symptom of acute, severe CO poisoning as cherry red skin?
2 - do numerous sites listed here state it is common and obvious postmortem?
3 - are the photos shown of lividity from bodies that have been dead for hours, so the lividity can form?
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Post by Turnagain on May 15, 2022 8:57:35 GMT
Nessie wrote: Nessie lies. At high levels of COHb red/pink discoloration isn't rare at all. What IS rare are fatal cases of CO poisoning. In the US fatal cases of CO poisoning account for only about 1% of all cases of CO poisoning. Definitions of "chronic" and "acute": From www.cdc.gov/chronicdisease/about/index.htm here is the definition of "chronic". From forensicyard.com/different-types-of-poisoning/ here is the definition of acute poisoning: Nessie is caught lying again. Lemme' see if I have this straight. A person can suffer acute CO poisoning, present red/pink discoloration but not die. If a person who suffers acute CO poisoning, turns red/pink and dies the red/pink discoloration disappears but reappears much later as livor mortis. Is that what you're claiming, Nessie? |
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Post by Nessie on May 15, 2022 9:05:18 GMT
Nessie wrote: Nessie lies. At high levels of COHb red/pink discoloration isn't rare at all. What IS rare are fatal cases of CO poisoning. In the US fatal cases of CO poisoning account for only about 1% of all cases of CO poisoning. Show me a list of symptoms of high levels of CO that will kill, which includes cherry red skin. Explain why the NHS and CDC do not list such symptoms. High levels will kill, fatalities are rare because people get rescued and treated. There is a difference between exposure for minutes and over hours or days. Something that will kill in minutes is acute, if it can be survived for many hours, into days, it is chronic. No. If someone is exposed to CO that will kill them in minutes, but they are rescued and treated and survive, there has been no time for cherry red skin to form. If that person dies after a few minutes and their body is then left for hours and lividity settles, then the cherry red skin is obvious where it has settled. That is what happened to the male in the car, hence his body had to be rolled to see the cherry red skin. |
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Post by Turnagain on May 15, 2022 9:06:24 GMT
Some questions for you Turnagain; 1 - does the NHS or CDC list a symptom of acute, severe CO poisoning as cherry red skin? 2 - do numerous sites listed here state it is common and obvious postmortem? 3 - are the photos shown of lividity from bodies that have been dead for hours, so the lividity can form? I have no idea what the NHS or the CDC says about CO poisoning. I'm sure that such literature is voluminous. b-t DID post from a website a chart showing the symptoms of CO poisoning and the concomitant red/pink discoloration up to death.
Numerous sites claim that the red/pink discoloration comes from high levels of COHb.
Are you in fact claiming that the red/pink discoloration that comes from high levels of COHb is the result of livor mortis?
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Post by Turnagain on May 15, 2022 9:31:22 GMT
Nessie wrote:
As I said, in holyhoax la-la land Nessie gets to make up his own definitions. Dictionaries and other authorities need not apply. Obviously a chronic condition can last for as little as a few hours if that's what Nessie decides...in holyhoax la-la land.
Jeezus H, you've been shown photos of a man with red/pink discoloration who survived CO poisoning and b-t has posted an entire chart showing the correlation between the symptoms of CO poisoning and the degree of discoloration before death. Are you claiming that both Scott and b-t made up phony websites and photos just to post here on RODOH?
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