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Post by Nessie on May 14, 2022 14:59:19 GMT
๐ค๐ค Hmmmm? ๐ค๐ค
So none of the survivors or alleged perpetrators noticed any bright pink corpses!
Not at any time in the alleged mass-murder process
and later treatment of the alleged gassed corpses?!
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Errr... and remind me, which side of the debate are called deniers, again? ๐
You have conflated chronic with acute exposure. There is evidence prolonged exposure for hours or days will turn the skin cherry red, but those in the gas chambers were exposed to acute very high levels and died in minutes. The photos are of bodies hours after death, by which time lividity has pooled, which is why the bodies have been rolled onto their side, so it is easier to see the cherry red skin. The gassed were removed from the chambers within minutes of death, that movement preventing lividity forming and the bodies were buried or cremated long before lividity had time to form. |
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Post by Nessie on May 14, 2022 15:06:21 GMT
From the source been-there used; www.researchgate.net/publication/338412462_BENTHAM_SCIENCE_Send_Orders_for_Reprints_to_reprintsbenthamsciencenet_Suicide_by_Inhalation_of_Carbon_Monoxide_of_Car_Exhausts_Fumes#pf2"The autopsy was performed 9 hours after death. The ca- daveric stiffness was already complete, and the cherry-red hypostasis fixed on the dorsum and extremity of the lower limbs" "Normal lividity (or livor mortis or hypostases) is blue-purplish due to venous blood color but this is highly dependent upon the state of oxygenation at about the time of death. In CO poisoning, lividity can exhibit a cherry-red or bright-pink color in Caucasians due to COHb formation." If the body was already cherry red before, why is that source on a postmortem of a person who died from CO poisoning referring to cherry red hypostasis, lividity and livor motis (which all mean the same thing, the pooling of the blood after death)? That source is clear the cherry red is due to lividity, which means it was not obviously present before lividity formed, because lividity cannot form when someone is still alive. |
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Post by been_there on May 14, 2022 16:08:17 GMT
Cherry-red colouring of still-living people suffering from CO poisoning is not always prevalent.
Which is why it is not given as an early sign.
See article below.
The relevance to accurately and honestly evaluating the reliability and credibility of holocaust witness testimony is whether the pink skin colouring would be noticeable in dead victims of CO poisoning.
As usual such a simple distinction is avoided and obfuscated by Nessie.
Here is a rather pedantic letter to The Lancet arguing about the intensity of the pink discolourisation that can be expected in people still alive:
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Post by Nessie on May 14, 2022 16:16:36 GMT
Cherry-red colouring of still- living people suffering from CO poisoning is not always prevalent. Which is why it is not given as an early sign. See article below.The relevance to accurately and honestly evaluating the reliability and credibility of holocaust witness testimony is whether the pink skin colouring would be noticeable in dead victims of CO poisoning. As usual such a simple distinction is avoided and obfuscated by Nessie. Wrong. I have made it clear with the evidence, and you have just in part agreed with me, that when still alive, cherry red skin is not obvious and common, which is also the subject of the below article. The evidence from the NHS and other sources, is that even when exposure is to very high levels that will kill, cherry red skin is not a common and obvious symptom. Where levels are so high that they will kill in a few minutes, the symptoms that are commonly listed are unconsciousness, seizures and heart attack, not cherry red skin. |
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Post by been_there on May 14, 2022 16:31:09 GMT
The following demonstrates the denial mindset that is being demonstrated here, by this perverse refusal to accept correction on basic biology, arithmetic or whatever other facts refutes the holocaust hoax of mass-gassings: The above demonstrates that living victims of CO poisoning do turn increasingly pink, the higher the CO content in their blood. It also is proof that displays of bright red colouring, CAN and does occur in the living victim of CO poisoning! โ...the level of carbon monoxide in the blood required to get the skin to that colour is so high that it is nearly always fatalโ. That sentence IS PROOF that it is not ALWAYS fatal! Consequently, if victims can turn bright pink while still living, it is safe to assume the likelihood of many victims being bright pink immediately after asphyxiating from engine exhaust at alleged holocaust extermination camps! Yet no holocaust lie-witness noticed any! Proof they lied and the mass-gassing allegation is an anti-German, atrocity-propaganda psy-op!  |
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Post by Nessie on May 14, 2022 16:48:16 GMT
The following demonstrates the denial mindset that is being demonstrated here, by this perverse refusal to accept correction on basic biology, arithmetic or whatever other facts refutes the holocaust hoax of mass-gassings: The above demonstrates that living victims of CO poisoning do turn increasingly pink, the higher the CO content in their blood. It also is proof that displays of bright red colouring, CAN and does occur in the living victim of CO poisoning! โ...the level of carbon monoxide in the blood required to get the skin to that colour is so high that it is nearly always fatalโ. That sentence IS PROOF that it is not ALWAYS fatal! Consequently, if victims can turn bright pink while still living, it is safe to assume the likelihood of many victims being bright pink immediately after asphyxiating from engine exhaust at alleged holocaust extermination camps! Yet no holocaust lie-witness noticed any! Proof they lied and the mass-gassing allegation is an anti-German, atrocity-propaganda psy-op! That source agrees with me!!!!
It makes it clear that it's appearance is "often" (definition, frequent, many times, in many instances) postmortem. Which means it rarely appears before death. I have never argued that cherry red skin never appears before or at time of death, I have merely argued, supported by sources like the one you are using, that it is not common and obvious. It only becomes common and obvious POSTMORTEM and I have shown the medical evidence that is because of lividity.
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Post by been_there on May 14, 2022 17:04:02 GMT
The following demonstrates the denial mindset that is being demonstrated here, by this perverse refusal to accept correction on basic biology, arithmetic or whatever other facts refutes the holocaust hoax of mass-gassings: The above demonstrates that living victims of CO poisoning do turn increasingly pink, the higher the CO content in their blood. It also is proof that displays of bright red colouring, CAN and does occur in the living victim of CO poisoning! โ...the level of carbon monoxide in the blood required to get the skin to that colour is so high that it is nearly always fatalโ. That sentence IS PROOF that it is not ALWAYS fatal! Consequently, if victims can turn bright pink while still living, it is safe to assume the likelihood of many victims being bright pink immediately after asphyxiating from engine exhaust at alleged holocaust extermination camps! Yet no holocaust lie-witness noticed any! Proof they lied and the mass-gassing allegation is an anti-German, atrocity-propaganda psy-op! That source agrees with me!!!! It makes it clear that it's appearance is "often" (definition: frequent, many times, in many instances) postmortem. Which means it rarely appears before death. I have never argued that cherry red skin never appears before or at time of death, I have merely argued, supported by sources like the one you are using, that it is not common and obvious. It only becomes common and obvious POSTMORTEM and I have shown the medical evidence that is because of lividity. Ha ha! ๐ So now โoftenโ means โrarelyโ. Oh boy! ๐คฆโโ๏ธ Nessie: โ...Show me a medical source that lists cherry red skin as a symptom of exposure to fatal levels of CO, such that at time of death, the person is obviously cherry red.โI just did above and you DENIED it. Nessie: โWhich means that the bodies had been removed from the gas chambers and buried or cremated before livor mortis (aka lividity) had time to form and become obvious.โThat is DENIAL that people CAN be cherry red BEFORE death. That is DENIAL that people immediately after CO asphyxiation (before lividity) can be cherry-red. That is DENIAL! You're in denial, Nessie. |
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Post by Nessie on May 14, 2022 18:33:05 GMT
..... Nessie: โ...Show me a medical source that lists cherry red skin as a symptom of exposure to fatal levels of CO, such that at time of death, the person is obviously cherry red.โI just did above and you DENIED it. Nessie: โWhich means that the bodies had been removed from the gas chambers and buried or cremated before livor mortis (aka lividity) had time to form and become obvious.โThat is DENIAL that people CAN be cherry red BEFORE death. That is DENIAL that people immediately after CO asphyxiation (before lividity) can be cherry-red. That is DENIAL! You're in denial, Nessie. Here is the source; www.verywellhealth.com/carbon-monoxide-poisoning-symptoms-4161052According to you, cherry red skin is common and obvious in very high levels of CO poisoning, that will kill. The source states " Progressed Symptoms As carbon monoxide poisoning progresses, symptoms get more serious, but are still extremely vague and difficult to identify as specific to carbon monoxide exposure: Confusion Shortness of breath Chest pain Vomiting Blurry or double vision Loss of consciousness" That is similar to other sources, such as the NHS, which does not mention cherry red skin as a symptom at all. The obvious reason for that is that it is rare and not obvious. The source you use confirms that " Rare Symptoms A deep red, flushed skin color (cherry red) is the one telltale indicator of carbon monoxide poisoning." Rare is the opposite of common. Rare means "an event that does not occur very often". The source has made it clear, for severe cases of high exposure, cherry red is rare and hence it not in the list of symptoms along with loss of consciousness, chest pain and shortness of breath. It may occur occasionally, but the source you posted here; www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(05)79807-X/fulltextmakes it clear that even medical professions can struggle to correctly identify it and many were ignorant of how rare it is. If it is not clear for doctors, how would it be clear to traumatised people clearing gas chambers of bodies? The first source goes on to explain, "it is often a postmortem examination that reveals such a bright red coloring". Postmortems take place hours, if not days after death. It is "often" meaning common, frequent, that at postmortems the cherry red can be seen then. Before death; rare, after death; common. The cause? Lividity. To be obvious, the blood needs to pool in the skin. That takes hours and cannot happen if the body is moved. |
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Post by been_there on May 14, 2022 18:45:02 GMT
..... Nessie: โ...Show me a medical source that lists cherry red skin as a symptom of exposure to fatal levels of CO, such that at time of death, the person is obviously cherry red.โI just did above and you DENIED it. Nessie: โWhich means that the bodies had been removed from the gas chambers and buried or cremated before livor mortis (aka lividity) had time to form and become obvious.โThat is DENIAL that people CAN be cherry red BEFORE death. That is DENIAL that people immediately after CO asphyxiation (before lividity) can be cherry-red. That is DENIAL! You're in denial, Nessie. According to you, cherry red skin is common and obvious in very high levels of CO poisoning, that will kill. No, I never wrote that. You are lying again to avoid error. You are again arguing against your own Strawman distortion. It is dishonest behaviour and so obvious I suggest it implies some form of mental impairment. |
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Post by Nazgรปl on May 14, 2022 18:45:08 GMT
It is not the cherry red colour that has interest but the other hues of green, yellow, blue and black that were reported.
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