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Post by Ulios on May 12, 2022 20:24:36 GMT
Discuss the aspects of CO poisoning including lividity colour.
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Post by mrolonzo on May 13, 2022 6:33:20 GMT
Here is another list of symptoms for CO poisoning that will kill, which does not include cherry red skin; cks.nice.org.uk/topics/carbon-monoxide-poisoning/"Exposure to higher levels of carbon monoxide may cause: Confusion. Loss of consciousness and death. Movement problems. Myocardial infarction Respiratory failure. Weakness." Where is your list of symptoms for fatal exposure to CO that includes common and obvious cherry red skin, since other sources do not include that symptom. Remember, use only symptoms for severe exposure, that will kill if the person is not removed from the source and is treated. Nope, these are later and marginal symptoms. Actual signs of poisoning are the cherry red skin for biological process reasons previously explained. Most people with serious CO poisoning would therefore show this sign. There's no reason to think they would simply appear normal but dead. |
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Post by Ulios on May 13, 2022 7:36:57 GMT
Most people with serious CO poisoning would therefore show this sign. There's no reason to think they would simply appear normal but dead. The witnesses describe the colours as yellow, blue, black, green with very few mentioning a reddish colour; one person mentioned reddish brown spots. |
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Post by Nessie on May 13, 2022 8:23:11 GMT
Can someone show me a list of symptoms for Carbon Monoxide poisoning, where that poisoning is severe and at levels that will lead to death, which includes the skin turning obviously cherry red? If people gassed at the AR camps were supposedly obviously cherry red at the point of death, so that when the gas chamber doors were opened, witnesses would see lots of clearly discoloured bodies, then that symptom would be listed for severe cases, where people are about to die or fatal cases, where the body is found shortly after the time of death.
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Post by Turnagain on May 13, 2022 8:48:29 GMT
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Post by Ulios on May 13, 2022 9:00:21 GMT
Rajchman described the victims of the new gas/vacuum chambers as having blue torsos and black heads. Victims of the original three chamber gas/vacuum appeared normal with some displaying foam on their mouths. Wiernik described the victims as being yellow. Neither mentions that the victims of fatal doses of CO should display red or pink discoloration. That is why Nessie insists that red/pink discoloration isn't a characteristic of high levels of carboxyhemoglobin. It seems that Nessie is suggesting that CO poisoning symptoms include blue torsos and black heads, yellow or perhaps green. Perhaps he can find this information in the literature regarding recently deceased CO poisoned people. |
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Post by Nessie on May 13, 2022 11:11:50 GMT
You have linked to pictures of bodies in morgues, that have been dead for hours, so lividity has had time to form and lists of symptoms for severe CO that does not included cherry red skin, for example
Why does that list not mention a symptom that you claim is common and obvious in people who are just about to die from CO? The answer is that it is not a common and obvious symptom until hours after death, when lividity forms.
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Post by Nessie on May 13, 2022 11:16:11 GMT
Rajchman described the victims of the new gas/vacuum chambers as having blue torsos and black heads. Victims of the original three chamber gas/vacuum appeared normal with some displaying foam on their mouths. Wiernik described the victims as being yellow. Neither mentions that the victims of fatal doses of CO should display red or pink discoloration. That is why Nessie insists that red/pink discoloration isn't a characteristic of high levels of carboxyhemoglobin. It seems that Nessie is suggesting that CO poisoning symptoms include blue torsos and black heads, yellow or perhaps green. Perhaps he can find this information in the literature regarding recently deceased CO poisoned people. Witnesses described the dead from trains, the dead lying about when Eberl was in charge and the first gas chambers were not working and bodies were being piled before burial.
The medical evidence is that at the point of death, cherry red skin is not a common symptom and it appears with lividity as the blood settles, which takes hours and will not happen when a body is moved. The medical evidence is that on death, the bodies would look pretty normal and certainly not bright cherry red.
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Post by Turnagain on May 13, 2022 11:41:36 GMT
Nessie wrote: Those aren't photos of livor mortis. You're full of more sh!t than a Christmas goose. Peddle such drivel down the street, Nessie. Pink/red discoloration becomes evident at carboxyhemoglobin levels of 65% and higher. A carboxyhemoglobin level of 65% is nearly 100% fatal and Treblinka had a near 100% fatality rate for those who were deliberately gassed. The medical evidence is that at carboxyhemoglobin levels of 65%+ the cherry red blood imparts a pink/red discoloration to the skin as shown in the photos. Nessie is just lying that only livor mortis accounts for the red/pink discoloration from fatal CO poisoning.
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Post by Nessie on May 13, 2022 12:01:36 GMT
Nessie wrote: Those aren't photos of livor mortis. You're full of more sh!t than a Christmas goose. Peddle such drivel down the street, Nessie. ... In the link you provided above, the first image is of a male, who has been rolled onto his side; www.researchgate.net/figure/Fig-1-Cherry-red-lividity-and-blood-as-consequence-of-carboxyhemoglobin-formation-A_fig1_334585782The caption reads "Cherry-red lividity and blood as consequence of carboxyhemoglobin formation." It is a photo of a corpse, hours after death, once lividity has formed. The reason the body has been rolled onto its side, is to see the cherry red blood that has pooled in his back. You see white marks, which are where pressure has stopped the blood pooling in the surface of the skin. |
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