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Post by Nessie on Sept 18, 2022 8:46:27 GMT
Olszuk told him he saw trains full of people arriving and empty trains leaving, so he missed that out of his report because it contradicted his desired belief. Of course people arrived and for the most part stayed. You have no idea who went to this TII and to TI, probably on the same transports. As previously mentioned you have no information on who left T1 or how the rocks went out and yet people and rocks did. People leaving TII would be on the same transports. A few records of arrivals at the current TII cannot take away the fact that as Arad said, the transports were sent to Malkinia transit camp; this is what Arad said and the fact of this camp is a reality.
Show me evidence of mass transports of people back out of TII and where they were sent to.
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Post by Turnagain on Sept 18, 2022 8:49:50 GMT
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Nessie stamps his feet and shrieks, "Liar, dirty liar". When stumped, it's his go-to response.
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Post by Nessie on Sept 18, 2022 8:50:31 GMT
Nessie wrote: In that case name one eyewitness who told the truth about the homicidal events that supposedly took place at Treblinka. Doesn't have to be nit-picky, just no clangers. You are going off topic into something that has been debated repeatedly. You do that to dodge your lack of evidence, such as no eyewitness who worked inside TII, to mass transports back out of the camp.
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Post by Turnagain on Sept 18, 2022 8:53:33 GMT
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Show us the train records for all trains entering and leaving T-II including their destinations.
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Post by nazgul on Sept 18, 2022 8:56:05 GMT
me evidence of mass transports of people back out of TII and where they were sent to. I think I made it quite clear that the majority of transports went to Malkinia aka Treblinka; TII also existed as did TI but were just normal camps. Malkinia was a transit camp. It has been assumed for some reason that these Malkinia transports somehow arrived at this other location further south on trains that could not get there in that time. I now strongly suspect that the timetables from Siedlce destined to Treblinka also arrived at the Malkinia loop camp. |
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Post by Turnagain on Sept 18, 2022 8:57:33 GMT
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You have been requested to provide a single believable eyewitness to the homicidal events at T-II and you've weasel dodged that request every single time. There has been NO "debate" on you providing that witness.
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Post by nazgul on Sept 18, 2022 9:10:09 GMT
Nessie wrote: You have been requested to provide a single believable eyewitness to the homicidal events at T-II and you've weasel dodged that request every single time. There has been NO "debate" on you providing that witness. The thread is on transport records not anything homicidal. Off topic. I would like him to clarify the evidence that the people arrived at the camp near the quarry and not the generalized location Treblinka for which most transports records end at Malkinia. I will accept the Stroop reports (for now) but I would like the majority. I really do suspect now that Hirtreiter was at the Malkinia loop as was Wiernik when he drew his first map. Hirtreiter said there was gassing at this camp so lets not discuss that for now. We need to sort out the real transports issue. There is no doubt transports arrived at this TI and II about 5 thousand people all up. If we can find more information on this Malkinia camp the real mystery is solved. |
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Post by Turnagain on Sept 18, 2022 9:25:13 GMT
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The crucial information that is needed are the actual train records for trains involved in the transfer of Jews to the various camps called Treblinka. It's close to a given that those records were destroyed by the Soviets in an effort to blame the Germans for genocide. Not one train schedule exists and only a few of the fahrplanaordnungs that define the shuttle trains exist. Not even the timetables/schedules exist for even the Jews that were known to have left Treblinka.
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Post by nazgul on Sept 18, 2022 9:48:24 GMT
Nazgul wrote: The crucial information that is needed are the actual train records for trains involved in the transfer of Jews to the various camps called Treblinka. It's close to a given that those records were destroyed by the Soviets in an effort to blame the Germans for genocide. Not one train schedule exists and only a few of the fahrplanaordnungs that define the shuttle trains exist. Not even the timetables/schedules exist for even the Jews that were known to have left Treblinka. This is correct, even those who were sent from Malkinia to Auschwitz for gassing in October 42 have no records to verify the truth. |
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Post by Nessie on Sept 18, 2022 13:50:55 GMT
Nessie wrote: Show us the train records for all trains entering and leaving T-II including their destinations. Why do you keep on asking me that already answered question?
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Post by Nessie on Sept 18, 2022 13:51:57 GMT
me evidence of mass transports of people back out of TII and where they were sent to. I think I made it quite clear that the majority of transports went to Malkinia aka Treblinka; TII also existed as did TI but were just normal camps. Malkinia was a transit camp. It has been assumed for some reason that these Malkinia transports somehow arrived at this other location further south on trains that could not get there in that time. I now strongly suspect that the timetables from Siedlce destined to Treblinka also arrived at the Malkinia loop camp. There is no such camp as the Malkinia loop camp aka Treblinka. The trains are evidenced to have gone to TII. |
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Post by Nessie on Sept 18, 2022 13:52:51 GMT
Nessie wrote: You have been requested to provide a single believable eyewitness to the homicidal events at T-II and you've weasel dodged that request every single time. There has been NO "debate" on you providing that witness. You are lying, I have given you names and why they are credible. Stop lying. |
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Post by Nessie on Sept 18, 2022 13:57:15 GMT
Nessie wrote: You have been requested to provide a single believable eyewitness to the homicidal events at T-II and you've weasel dodged that request every single time. There has been NO "debate" on you providing that witness. The thread is on transport records not anything homicidal. Off topic. I would like him to clarify the evidence that the people arrived at the camp near the quarry and not the generalized location Treblinka for which most transports records end at Malkinia. I will accept the Stroop reports (for now) but I would like the majority. I really do suspect now that Hirtreiter was at the Malkinia loop as was Wiernik when he drew his first map. Hirtreiter said there was gassing at this camp so lets not discuss that for now. We need to sort out the real transports issue. There is no doubt transports arrived at this TI and II about 5 thousand people all up. If we can find more information on this Malkinia camp the real mystery is solved. The evidence that TII was the camp that received the mass transports the documents record as arriving at Treblinka or "T" is from
1 - witnesses, Jewish, Nazi and local Poles.
2 - the circumstances of AR, whereby property was seized and bundled at TII and then sent to Majdanek for sorting and selling.
3 - the physical evidence at TII, such as buried person property 4 - the Stroop Report that specifically referenced TII as the camp Jews were sent to from the Warsaw ghetto for liquidation.
5 - the circumstances that TI was a labour, penal camp, where many Polish, not Jewish people were sent.
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Post by Turnagain on Sept 18, 2022 17:18:04 GMT
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Nessie lies through his teeth and accuses others of lying. You have given laundry lists of supposed witnesses but refuse to say, "This is the person who tells the truth". Did Wiernik lie about carrying cadavers? Yes, he did. Did Rajchman lie about blood being flammable? Yes, he did. On and on with one egregious lie following another but Nessie excuses such lies with his "what ifs" and "emotive language" schtick. That may play in holyhoax la-la land but not in real life. Nessie is simply lying like a rug.
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Post by nazgul on Sept 18, 2022 20:14:02 GMT
The trains are evidenced to have gone to TII. The narrative has TII as the focal point but the timetables say for the most part Malkinia and others Treblinka. Yitzhak Arad writes that: "in many documents relating to transports to Treblinka Malkinia is noted as the final destination".The Malkinia transit camp was an actuality, even Dr Terry mentions it. Nick Terry claims to have found the following two documents on Malkinia "in the files of the Militaerbefehlshaber im Generalgouvernement". (CODOH) However, here it is referred to as a sonderlager. |
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