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Post by Nessie on Sept 17, 2022 16:44:10 GMT
Nessie wrote: Well, I could be mistaken so let's clear this up once and for all. Do you claim that all deportees arrived at Treblinka on trains designated shuttle trains by the fahrplanaordnungs? If not then there's an unknown number of trains that entered and left Treblinka II either with or without passengers. We have been over this before. The Fahrplanordnings that are online, account for about 320,000 people being sent to TII, and about a third of the transports historians have found evidence of. Whether other transports have surviving Fahrplanordnungs, would require archive searches. The online Fahrplanordnung for Warsaw is dated 03/08/1942. Wiernik went to TII on 23/08/1942. It may be by then, the transports had backed up, hence the layover. You will, of course, forget what I have told you, and probably not understand.
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Post by Turnagain on Sept 17, 2022 17:47:27 GMT
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So, about 35% of the deportees are accounted for in fahrplanaordnung shuttle trains leaving 65% of the deportees transported by an unknown number of trains. Once again tell us the number of trains that entered and left Treblinka and Treblinka II?
IOW, there's a timetable for the trains on shuttle service but there's no train records for those trains. Once again, how do you know how many trains entered and left either the Malkinia Treblinka or Treblinka II? Besides your well known psychic abilities, that is.
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Post by Nessie on Sept 17, 2022 18:20:14 GMT
Nessie wrote: So, about 35% of the deportees are accounted for in fahrplanaordnung shuttle trains leaving 65% of the deportees transported by an unknown number of trains. Once again tell us the number of trains that entered and left Treblinka and Treblinka II? Once again, the precise number is unknown, but various ranges can be established of how many transports there were and how many trains actually entered and left the camp. What is totally unevidenced, is your claim that hundreds of thousands left TII, a transit camp you bizarrely doubt hundreds of thousands went to. Evidence from documents and witnesses. You think evidence is magical, due to your inability to understand it.
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Post by Turnagain on Sept 18, 2022 3:53:50 GMT
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Nessie's "evidence" runs the gamut from inconclusive to irrelevant and his eyewitnesses are known liars. He has no evidence above a goose as to how many trains entered and left Treblinka II let alone the Malkinia Treblinka.
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Post by Nessie on Sept 18, 2022 7:30:21 GMT
Nessie wrote: Nessie's "evidence" runs the gamut from inconclusive to irrelevant and his eyewitnesses are known liars. He has no evidence above a goose as to how many trains entered and left Treblinka II let alone the Malkinia Treblinka. There is evidence that mass transports went to TII full of people and most left empty.
There is no evidence of regular mass transports leaving TII.
You cannot evidence what did happen inside TII.
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Sept 18, 2022 7:49:48 GMT
There is evidence that mass transports went to TII full of people and most left empty. No there is not just some place called Treblinka for which most transports for some reason stopped at Malkinia. This was a judenlager and they were not supposed to leave. Marian Olszuk who saw the workings through the fence from outside.
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Post by Turnagain on Sept 18, 2022 8:06:01 GMT
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LOL! Zabecki, the guy who claimed to have counted 1.2 million Jews entering T-II and none left on trains. Who could ask for better "evidence" than that?
There aren't any train records at all of trains leaving T-II with or without passengers. (except fahrplanaordnung trains)
But I can damn sure evidence what DIDN'T happen inside T-II.
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Post by Nessie on Sept 18, 2022 8:08:05 GMT
There is evidence that mass transports went to TII full of people and most left empty. No there is not just some place called Treblinka for which most transports for some reason stopped at Malkinia. There are multiple sources of evidence that the camp on the sur line was an AR that received hundreds of thousands of people. That camp was not big enough to hold that many people. Faurisson forgot to ask, or asked and got answers he chose not to publish, key questions about what happened.
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Post by Nessie on Sept 18, 2022 8:10:17 GMT
Nessie wrote: LOL! Zabecki, the guy who claimed to have counted 1.2 million Jews entering T-II and none left on trains. Who could ask for better "evidence" than that? There aren't any train records at all of trains leaving T-II with or without passengers. (except fahrplanaordnung trains) Meaning the evidence does not suit you, so you think up reasons to dismiss or ignore it. No you cannot. Your methodology, of thinking up excuses to dismiss the evidence of what happened, does not disprove gassings. The only credible way to disprove gassings, is to evidence what did happen.
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Sept 18, 2022 8:21:21 GMT
There are multiple sources of evidence that the camp on the sur line was an AR that received hundreds of thousands of people. Some people of course did arrive as it was a camp. Mentioned that most of the documents mention Malkinia as the last stop, and has assumed this meant Treblinka. If you have more actual evidence of arrivals at a TII than the Stroop report then please present it. Several thousand it seems. Olszuk said nothing happened at this TII. If the destination was Malkinia off course they did not arrive in the quantitates you think.
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Post by Turnagain on Sept 18, 2022 8:26:45 GMT
Nessie absolutely doesn't care if his witnesses are proven to be liars. What they claim supports the hoyhoax therefore it's the truth no matter how egregious the lie. Once one accepts that Nessie simply doesn't care about the contradictions and lies of the witnesses then his excuses for them becomes rational. Electric masturbation machines, lethal jungle gyms and hermetically sealed gas chambers are all accepted as "evidence" for the holyhoax. Same as church dogma: "Believe so that you can understand".
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Post by Nessie on Sept 18, 2022 8:28:27 GMT
There are multiple sources of evidence that the camp on the sur line was an AR that received hundreds of thousands of people. Some people of course did arrive as it was a camp. Mentioned that most of the documents mention Malkinia as the last stop, and has assumed this meant Treblinka. If you have more actual evidence of arrivals at a TII than the Stroop report then please present it. Where are the documents that mention Malkinia as the last stop? Not hundreds of thousands He did not say nothing happened and Faurisson was strangely quiet about transports. I suspect he asked about mass transports, Olszuk told him he saw trains full of people arriving and empty trains leaving, so he missed that out of his report because it contradicted his desired belief.
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Post by Nessie on Sept 18, 2022 8:29:37 GMT
Nessie absolutely doesn't care if his witnesses are proven to be liars. What they claim supports the hoyhoax therefore it's the truth no matter how egregious the lie. Once one accepts that Nessie simply doesn't care about the contradictions and lies of the witnesses then his excuses for them becomes rational. Electric masturbation machines, lethal jungle gyms and hermetically sealed gas chambers are all accepted as "evidence" for the holyhoax. Same as church dogma: "Believe so that you can understand". You have not proven them to be lying about everything they saw. You are lying that I accept everything claimed about the camps. You lie constantly to try to support your beliefs.
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Sept 18, 2022 8:41:01 GMT
Olszuk told him he saw trains full of people arriving and empty trains leaving, so he missed that out of his report because it contradicted his desired belief. Of course people arrived and for the most part stayed. You have no idea who went to this TII and to TI, probably on the same transports. As previously mentioned you have no information on who left T1 or how the rocks went out and yet people and rocks did. People leaving TII would be on the same transports. A few records of arrivals at the current TII cannot take away the fact that as Arad said, the transports were sent to Malkinia transit camp; this is what Arad said and the fact of this camp is a reality.
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Post by Turnagain on Sept 18, 2022 8:45:32 GMT
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In that case name one eyewitness who told the truth about the homicidal events that supposedly took place at Treblinka. Doesn't have to be nit-picky, just no clangers.
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