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Post by Turnagain on May 13, 2022 13:04:13 GMT
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There are no records of the thirty or so trains that DID leave Treblinka with passengers. You continually harp on the number of trains that left Treblinka empty but refuse to mention the number of trains that left Treblinka with passengers. You claim that nobody "noticed" those trains but why isn't there any train schedules for them? You also maintain that Mattogno found train schedules for at least two trains but never post a link to Mattogno doing so. Where's your link, Nessie?
Really? Apparently the trains that left Treblinka with passengers didn't exist? The only people who left Treblinka alive were the handful that successfully escaped after the camp uprising? The witnesses to people leaving Treblinka along with the corroborating evidence are all lies? Geez, who knew?
Nessie's records of trains carrying Jews to Treblinka all come from, wait for it...WIKIPEDIA. What could be a more reliable and unbiased source of holyhoax information than WIDIPEDIA? Otherwise he gets his information from such known liars as Wiernik, Rajchman, Arad et al. Nessie NEVER questions any claims made for the holyhoax. Every syllable is the gospel truth even it's proven to be a lie. The official narrative was that nobody except a few escapees left Treblinka alive. Then Hunt and his video taken from the UCLA films threw a monkey wrench into that particular lie.
NO! Their claims are corroborated by a record at Majdanek and from the USHMM. If you have proof that nobody left Treblinka alive save the escapees and that the deportees who left Treblinka actually left from some alternate camp then YOU produce it. I DON'T have to disprove your fantasies and fairy tales.
Your claim that Wiernik et al. wouldn't have noticed people getting on trains to leave Treblinka is laughable. That still doesn't explain why the train schedules for those trains no longer exist. Just as your claim that 30% of an unknown number is somehow known is mind-numbingly stupid.
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Post by Nessie on May 13, 2022 16:45:34 GMT
Nessie wrote: There are no records of the thirty or so trains that DID leave Treblinka with passengers. You continually harp on the number of trains that left Treblinka empty but refuse to mention the number of trains that left Treblinka with passengers. You claim that nobody "noticed" those trains but why isn't there any train schedules for them? You also maintain that Mattogno found train schedules for at least two trains but never post a link to Mattogno doing so. Where's your link, Nessie? Stop lying. I posted a link here to Mattogno, 3 days ago, rodoh.info/post/7628/threadHere is the link again codoh.com/library/document/concentration-camp-majdanek/en/"On May 13 the new arrivals included a convoy of 308 Jewish men who had been taken from Warsaw to Treblinka, and thence, after a selection, to Majdanek." "The authors al-so mention that in February 1943, 104 Jewesses were sent to Majdanek from Treblinka" There may be more, there are 362 references to Treblinka in his book. You do not know what is in the archives, so you are in no position to assert there are no records, when there clearly are. Some historians did not know about the few worker trains sent to Majdanek, Budzyn and Poniatowa. No historian is going to know every single detail. Eric Hunt now admits that those people do not evidence TII as a transit camp. Instead they are just evidence TII also had a selection process, as did other death camps, where some got lucky and were sent to work in labour camps. Hunt did not thrown a monkey wrench in anything. All he did was publicise, so that it is now better known, that TII did have a selection process. NO! It is up to you to prove they were at TII. Weirnik did not work at the camp station. He worked at the section of the camp with the gas chambers and graves. There is no known witness who worked at the station as people arrived. The Nazis did not bother to mention departures, because there were so few. There are no schedules for empty trains arriving at TII to take people away, because there were no such trains. Your mystery trains that arrived and took away c850,000 people to be resettled, without leaving any evidence, are a fantasy. The known numbers are 394 ghetto transports to TII, sending c860,000 people to the camp, of which c30% have timetables that are online and c30% came from Warsaw. I am using a percentage of known figures.
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Post by mrolonzo on May 13, 2022 17:24:05 GMT
Nessie wrote: There are no records of the thirty or so trains that DID leave Treblinka with passengers. You continually harp on the number of trains that left Treblinka empty but refuse to mention the number of trains that left Treblinka with passengers. You claim that nobody "noticed" those trains but why isn't there any train schedules for them? You also maintain that Mattogno found train schedules for at least two trains but never post a link to Mattogno doing so. Where's your link, Nessie? Stop lying. I posted a link here to Mattogno, 3 days ago, rodoh.info/post/7628/threadHere is the link again codoh.com/library/document/concentration-camp-majdanek/en/"On May 13 the new arrivals included a convoy of 308 Jewish men who had been taken from Warsaw to Treblinka, and thence, after a selection, to Majdanek." "The authors al-so mention that in February 1943, 104 Jewesses were sent to Majdanek from Treblinka" There may be more, there are 362 references to Treblinka in his book. You do not know what is in the archives, so you are in no position to assert there are no records, when there clearly are. Some historians did not know about the few worker trains sent to Majdanek, Budzyn and Poniatowa. No historian is going to know every single detail. Eric Hunt now admits that those people do not evidence TII as a transit camp. Instead they are just evidence TII also had a selection process, as did other death camps, where some got lucky and were sent to work in labour camps. Hunt did not thrown a monkey wrench in anything. All he did was publicise, so that it is now better known, that TII did have a selection process. NO! It is up to you to prove they were at TII. Weirnik did not work at the camp station. He worked at the section of the camp with the gas chambers and graves. There is no known witness who worked at the station as people arrived. The Nazis did not bother to mention departures, because there were so few. There are no schedules for empty trains arriving at TII to take people away, because there were no such trains. Your mystery trains that arrived and took away c850,000 people to be resettled, without leaving any evidence, are a fantasy. The known numbers are 394 ghetto transports to TII, sending c860,000 people to the camp, of which c30% have timetables that are online and c30% came from Warsaw. I am using a percentage of known figures. "Weirnik did not work at the camp station. He worked at the section of the camp with the gas chambers and graves. There is no known witness who worked at the station as people arrived. The Nazis did not bother to mention departures, because there were so few." T2 wasn't a large camp so no, wiernik would know who was coming and going. People left T2, that's clear.
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Post by Turnagain on May 15, 2022 17:49:18 GMT
Nessie wrote:
Mattogno deemed Leszczynska's claims to be worthless. You claim it to be "evidence". Gee, who to believe?
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Post by Nessie on May 15, 2022 18:43:06 GMT
Nessie wrote: Mattogno deemed Leszczynska's claims to be worthless. You claim it to be "evidence". Gee, who to believe? Why is that, when it is evidence that supports your claims of people being transported out of TII?
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Post by Nessie on May 15, 2022 18:56:45 GMT
Mattogno said of transports from TII; holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=5"Among the remaining 600 Jews there were 104 women from Grodno and Bialystok who had been sent to Majdanek via Treblinka." "On May 13 the new arrivals included a convoy of 308 Jewish men who had been taken from Warsaw to Treblinka, and thence, after a selection, to Majdanek " He states in footnotes; "In other cases, the selection was performed in Treblinka, even though according to the offi- cial โHolocaustโ literature that camp was โstrictly an extermination campโ! T. Berenstein and Rutkowski (op. cit., note 115) comment: โA few transports from Warsaw arrived in Lublin via Treblinka; a selection of the deportees had been carried out in Treblinka.โ The authors al- so mention that in February 1943, 104 Jewesses were sent to Majdanek from Treblinka, and similarly, in March of the same year, 35 Dutch Jews were sent there from Sobibรณr (also โstrictly an extermination campโ! op. cit., note 115, p. 16). And finally, Leszczyลska reports that 1,700 Jewesses were sent to Majdanek from Beลลผec (the third โstrict extermination campโ! op. cit., note 110, p. 189)." He is expressing surprise that TII has some worker transports, which is odd, since the selection process at death camps is well known and evidenced at other death camps, primarily A-B. He states the same about Sobibor, and expresses surprise about selections there; "This also applies to three transports of Jews from France out of four which came to Sobibor in March 1943: โJews and possibly Jewesses โfit for laborโ were transferred to Majdanekโ (p. 200). Therefore two alleged extermination camps have become instead reservoirs of Jewish labor for Majdanek!" Mattogno has not understood the selection process; "Throughout her work Schwindt emphasizes the importance of Jewish labor in the Lublin district. It had such a value for the SS that Jews fit for labor were selected even in the purported extermination camps of Sobibor and Treblinka. Hence to what purpose would the SS have killed 42,000 prisoners, if the more sensible alternative would have been to transfer them to other labor camps or industries in the West?" The answer is that the Nazis conducted selections for workers when they needed workers and the rest were gassed.
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Post by Turnagain on May 16, 2022 4:45:04 GMT
Your mish-mash of unrelated quotes and footnotes make no sense. Do better.
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Post by Nessie on May 16, 2022 10:48:17 GMT
Your mish-mash of unrelated quotes and footnotes make no sense. Do better. Why are Mattogno and you rejecting evidence of transports from TII to Majdanek, when that is evidence in your favour?
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Post by Nazgรปl on May 16, 2022 11:59:22 GMT
Your mish-mash of unrelated quotes and footnotes make no sense. Do better. Why are Mattogno and you rejecting evidence of transports from TII to Majdanek, when that is evidence in your favour? There are many reports of deaths on the train for many reasons. What do the transport documents say about these.?
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Post by Nessie on May 16, 2022 12:09:00 GMT
Why are Mattogno and you rejecting evidence of transports from TII to Majdanek, when that is evidence in your favour? There are many reports of deaths on the train for many reasons. What do the transport documents say about these.? I am not aware of transport documents that record the number who arrived dead.
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