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Post by ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ข๐ on Aug 17, 2022 7:35:15 GMT
1. Did Olszuk mention mass transports of hundreds of thousands of people back out of TII? No, he did not. Nessie is giving the impression or has the impression that the transports designated "Treblinka" went to this place on the spur line (the current location with the monument); they all went there but no one seen to leave. This is supported by spies (trained liars) like the stationmaster Zabecki. Nothing untoward was seen by Olszuk as you mentioned. The spur line had to service both TI and TII on a regular basis with supplies and people, also to extrude the material from the quarry. In the past the service trains always had carriages of some sort for people. These trains would pull out and then head towards Siedlce with only some people disembarking at the camps. Along the Malkinia Siedlce line there were other camps, most noted the notorious death camp Kosow Podlaski about 10 km from the current TII. The train would have continued to Siedlce with its cargo of people and rocks whatever and head to Lukow then Brest eastwards. The term Treblinka referred to the camps as well as the exit point of the General Government; Nessie is trying to force it down everyone's throat that it refers to a single camp. He refuses to acknowledge anything that disagrees with his view. The camp under discussion, is the single camp, clearly seen in the 1944 aerial photo, on the spur line to the quarry. It is identified by numerous witnesses as the AR camp Treblinka, or TII. You can discuss other camps all you want, but that is the camp under discussion.
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Post by ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ข๐ on Aug 17, 2022 7:37:34 GMT
Hofle worked on AR, and he referred to "T", which was the AR camp at Treblinka, which was TII... Oh boy! More moronic, true-believer moonshine. So basically you believe it so for you itโs true! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! A big, rousing Holyhoax hallelujah! Keep the faith Nessie. Donโt let reason, empirical evidence, logic and facts get in your way. ๐
All you have got is childish comments. You are unable to counter me with any evidence.
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Post by ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ข๐ on Aug 17, 2022 7:42:40 GMT
Hofle worked on AR, and he referred to "T", which was the AR camp at Treblinka, which was TII... The cryptic document by Hรถfle designated the letters L,B,S,T which were SS designated places. Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka were all border towns and villages of the early General Government and exit points; Belzec lost its border status upon the expansion of the General Government. The territory was expanded substantially in 1941, after the German Invasion of the Soviet Union, to include the new District of Galicia. It is an act of faith to assume that the letters in the telegram are the villages or camps. Aktion Reinhardt was the operation to empty the ghettos of the General Government, gas those people and steal the last of their property. There was some variation to that, as the camps would take Jews from ghettos outwith the GG and some people were selected to work. Specific camps were constructed for AR, Treblinka, Sobibor and Belzec and the existing camp of Majdanek was used as a sorting centre for the property.
This thread is about transport records for one of those camps, Treblinka, or TII. Unless you have anything to contribute on that, you are off topic.
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Aug 17, 2022 7:53:57 GMT
]Aktion Reinhardt was the operation to empty the ghettos of the General Government, gas those people and steal the last of their property. It seems that Aktion Reinhart was an economic issue capitalizing on the deportations. Where is the evidence that this Treblinka was an AR camp and not TI or Kosow Podklaki down the road.?; these are all, like Malkinia Treblinka camps. Where is the evidence that the transports were all to this camp and not the ones mentioned above. ? It seems you are using the Hoefle telegram to support the AR camp hypothesis and then use it as a fact. What and where is the other evidence for the particular location, now TII. |
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Post by ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ข๐ on Aug 17, 2022 8:26:19 GMT
]Aktion Reinhardt was the operation to empty the ghettos of the General Government, gas those people and steal the last of their property. It seems that Aktion Reinhart was an economic issue capitalizing on the deportations. Where is the evidence that this Treblinka was an AR camp and not TI or Kosow Podklaki down the road.?; these are all, like Malkinia Treblinka camps. Where is the evidence that the transports were all to this camp and not the ones mentioned above. ? It seems you are using the Hoefle telegram to support the AR camp hypothesis and then use it as a fact. What and where is the other evidence for the particular location, now TII. The staff at TII, Stangl, Franz etc were AR staff. There is no evidence any other camp in the area was used for AR and they were labour camps for other purposes. |
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Post by ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐๐ด๐ป๐ธ on Aug 17, 2022 8:53:03 GMT
camp and not the ones mentioned above. ? The staff at TII, Stangl, Franz etc were AR staff. There is no evidence any other camp in the area was used for AR and they were labour camps for other purposes. From Wiki It seems this man along with others were complicit in Aktion 14 f13; this is the only evidence given and supported fully by the evidence. |
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Post by ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ข๐ on Aug 17, 2022 9:09:03 GMT
camp and not the ones mentioned above. ? The staff at TII, Stangl, Franz etc were AR staff. There is no evidence any other camp in the area was used for AR and they were labour camps for other purposes. From Wiki It seems this man along with others were complicit in Aktion 14 f13; this is the only evidence given and supported fully by the evidence. It is notable that the staff at the AR camps almost exclusively came from T4.
Unless you start to refer to TII transport records, any further off topic posts will be removed.
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Post by Ulios on Aug 17, 2022 9:18:20 GMT
Unless you start to refer to TII transport records, any further off topic posts will be removed. Jew explain why the Germans were so lax in their security to allow normal rail people data. |
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Post by ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ข๐ on Aug 17, 2022 9:26:44 GMT
Unless you start to refer to TII transport records, any further off topic posts will be removed. Jew explain why the Germans were so lax in their security to allow normal rail people data. What do you mean? |
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Post by Ulios on Aug 17, 2022 9:32:21 GMT
Jew explain why the Germans were so lax in their security to allow normal rail people data. What do you mean? Top secret programs do not allow normal rail people to access the transport date; yet it happened here, according to you and fellow jews. |
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Post by ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ข๐ on Aug 17, 2022 9:36:45 GMT
Top secret programs do not allow normal rail people to access the transport date; yet it happened here, according to you and fellow jews.
The Polish railway staff had to be told about trains they were expected to drive and that would pass through the stations where they worked. The dates of transports come from the ghetto transport records. The station master at Treblinka kept his own records of dates, as he rightly suspected that would be important evidence about the transports.
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Post by been_there on Aug 17, 2022 9:48:14 GMT
Oh boy! More moronic, true-believer moonshine. So basically you believe it so for you itโs true! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! A big, rousing Holyhoax hallelujah! Keep the faith Nessie. Donโt let reason, empirical evidence, logic and facts get in your way. ๐ All you have got is childish comments. You are unable to counter me with any evidence.
I and others have repeatedly provided you with evidence. The problem is that you are not interested in an unbiased, intelligent, reasonable appraisal of the evidence. Otherwise how could anyone doing that state that the possibly fraudulent and problematic claim of the Hรถfle intercept being a genuine German communication, would conclude that the letter T in it definitely specified the T2 camp. No-one who was able to think logically, sanely and intelligently would assert that as an absolute certainty. Yet you just did. That was a statement of belief, nothing more. There is nothing โchildishโ about pointing out that such an assertion is merely a statement of unsupported quasi-religious faith. Again you will not understand this as you have demonstrated repeatedly that you cannot comprehend simple semantic distinctions such as that between opinion and scientific fact, or doubt and denial, etc. You are impervious to evidence and logic that refutes your cultish belief. Otherwise how else could a rational, intelligent person conclude and suggest that claiming โ Naztiesโ nailed the ears of Jews to walls at Treblinka, tore babies in half with bare hands, allowed a dog to maul people to death โ and all the other statements of atrocity by Yankl Wiernik โ were only a figure of speech? |
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Post by been_there on Aug 17, 2022 10:07:45 GMT
Top secret programs do not allow normal rail people to access the transport date; yet it happened here, according to you and fellow jews. ... The station master at Treblinka [claimed to have] kept his own records of dates, as he rightly suspected [was a trained member of a group planning atrocity propaganda] that would be important โevidenceโ about the [alleged] transports.
The station master Zabecki claimed as a matter of certainty and without any room for doubt that he counted 3 million people transported past his post to T2. That claim is no longer accepted as accurate by the Holyhoax mass-gassing faithful. It is therefore cherry-picking of evidence to reject the number but accept the dates from the same non-credible and thus discredited โwitnessโ. And this is โevidenceโ that Nessie has been supplied with, but has ignored and has even denied he has been supplied with it. |
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Post by ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ข๐ on Aug 17, 2022 10:14:46 GMT
All you have got is childish comments. You are unable to counter me with any evidence.
I and others have repeatedly provided you with evidence. I challenge that claim. Give me an example of evidence from a witness, document, archaeological report, photo, physical item that you have provided. Show me evidence that the Hofle Telegram is not genuine. |
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Post by ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ข๐ on Aug 17, 2022 10:20:12 GMT
... The station master at Treblinka [claimed to have] kept his own records of dates, as he rightly suspected [was a trained member of a group planning atrocity propaganda] that would be important โevidenceโ about the [alleged] transports.
The station master Zabecki claimed as a matter of certainty and without any room for doubt that he counted 3 million people transported past his post to T2. That claim is no longer accepted as accurate by the Holyhoax mass-gassing faithful. It is therefore cherry-picking of evidence to reject the number but accept the dates from the same non-credible and thus discredited โwitnessโ. And this is โevidenceโ that Nessie has been supplied with, but has ignored and has even denied he has been supplied with it.
If one person states he thinks 3 million people were taken to TII, but after decades of research, the evidence is that it was less than a million and in the region of 850,000, then it is logical and sensible to conclude that person overestimated, or miscounted the number of people. That is not cherry-picking, it is a rational, sensible, evidence backed conclusion.
When the dates he provides are corroborated by other transport documents, then it is sensible and rational to accept that as correct. It is common for witnesses to be correct about some part of what they saw and wrong about others. Only idiots dismiss entire testimony because of a mistake.
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